Painting mountboards

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Painting mountboards

Postby Dobbo » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:32 pm

I have been asked about doing a triple mount for a customer with the middle mount painted. As I am quite new to all this, what are the rules on painting mountboards when it comes to conservation standards? Are there specific types of paint to use? I have seen acrylic seems to be the main type used, are other types allowed like oil? Bearing in mind the mount will not be touching the art.
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Re: Painting mountboards

Postby Not your average framer » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:14 pm

I prefer to use artists acrylic paints, when I can and always check the manufacturers published information for colour permanence and opacity before deciding to buy. Some paints are transparent, or semi-transparent and do not cover properly even after many coats of paint.

Be particularly careful about the colour permanence when cloosing reds, some reds have very poor colour permanence. Also be aware that even when you are mixing more that one colour of paint together, it is still important to get paints with really good colour permanence. If you don't the colour you mixed may not stay the same colour of time.

There are times when I varnish over a painted mount with matte acrylic varnish to get the best possible matte finish, as I think that dead matte looks the business.
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Re: Painting mountboards

Postby Dobbo » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:44 pm

Thanks for the detailed response, thats very much appreciated. Is there any brands of acrylic paints you recommend (tried and tested)?
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Re: Painting mountboards

Postby prospero » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:31 am

Daler-Rowney or Winsor&Newton are tried and trusted brands. :D

Don't use oil paint! The board will soak up the oil and make a mess. It may even migrate to the artwork.
Also, it will take a long time to dry.

Acrylic is the best.
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Re: Painting mountboards

Postby Not your average framer » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:45 pm

I am going to stop short of specifically recommending brands. Different people will all have the preferred brands and there will be various reasons why each one of us likes a particular brand and the fact that we all make different choices may reflect different factors in each case. I'm not encouraging anyone to specifically follow the paints that I choose, but I will try my best to explain why I make these particular choices. I believe in making your own informed choices.

So to start with I'm out to get best value for money, while also choosing really good quality paints, that work well when using my own techniques and brushwork, but also are specified as having top colour permanence and in the case I am looking to choose colours that have fully opaque pigments. I like to buy paints that I have regular use for in 500ml pots and therefore gain a better price by buying a larger quantity.

These relevant properties will not always be best when picking a particular colour from a particular manufacturer, so sometimes you won't always choose the same manufacturer to get the paint characteristics that you are looking for. This is just one of those facts of life and that's how it is.

In my selection of favourite paints you will find the following brands; Amsterdam standard range, AV (Acrylicos Valleyo), Craig and Rose 1829 chalky emulsion and occasionally System 4 by Daler Rowney. Not every paint from these manufacturers will have the same colour permanence, opacity, or other properties so chech the manufacturers data sheets before you by.

Just in case any of you have missed this, acrylic paints in these ranges are all chosen to be value for money, so not every colour in these ranges will have the same specification compared to top of the range so called artists quality paints, but there are plenty of top rated colour permanence paints in there if you are prepared to find out which ones they are!
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Re: Painting mountboards

Postby Jamesnkr » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:19 am

System 4 by Daler Rowney


System 3 I think you mean... ;)
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Re: Painting mountboards

Postby Not your average framer » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:49 pm

Probably!

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Re: Painting mountboards

Postby Keith Hewitt » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:38 pm

Bit of history.
Up to about the year 1995 most of the mount boards used in Denmark were all painted by hand, with a roller, including the bevel edge
Framers bought one white board and probably 2.5mm - 3.0 mm caliper in size 100 x 140cms.
Big tub of white wall paper emulsion, plus lots of little concentrated tubes dyes/pigments
Mixed to get colour required, painted late in the afternoon.
Left to dry over night
Check next morning, if OK frame, if not another coat
It took a long time for any of the big mount board co's to get any sales going.
Today 100 x 140 cms is still the default size in Denmark

Do we have any Danish framers on this forum to ask if any still follow the painting method :?:
I have visited framers in 83 countries - no two are the same.

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Re: Painting mountboards

Postby sable filbert » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:01 am

Keith Hewitt wrote:Bit of history.
Up to about the year 1995 most of the mount boards used in Denmark were all painted by hand, with a roller, including the bevel edge
Framers bought one white board and probably 2.5mm - 3.0 mm caliper in size 100 x 140cms.
Big tub of white wall paper emulsion, plus lots of little concentrated tubes dyes/pigments
Mixed to get colour required, painted late in the afternoon.
Left to dry over night
Check next morning, if OK frame, if not another coat
It took a long time for any of the big mount board co's to get any sales going.
Today 100 x 140 cms is still the default size in Denmark

Do we have any Danish framers on this forum to ask if any still follow the painting method :?:


Most interesting post....cheers!
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