chalk drawing on paper

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chalk drawing on paper

Post by stcstc » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 10:05 pm

I was given a25 year old chalk drawing today,on a paper

I am going to use a cotton rag board etc.

how would you hinge the paper?

I was thinking of using

http://www.lionpic.co.uk/product/Arch-S ... ,7966.aspx

would they be suitable, as it means no adhesive touching the artwork at all

Roboframer

Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by Roboframer » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 10:33 pm

Unless the adhesive gives and the artwork slips on to any residue left.

To eliminate this possibility, and it is one, you can make your own edge support strips that, in a nutshell, on at least the bottom edge, are cut longer than the artwork, passed through the mounting board and secured on the back of it. You could also do that with these strips of course, as a backup.

What's wrong with hanging it like a curtain anyway, i.e. hingeing in the normal way from the top only?

stcstc

Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by stcstc » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 11:23 pm

what you mean is use the mylar/melinex?.

I was nervous sticking to it, and thought the strips around the edges would give more support

is this just the wrong approach?

framemaker

Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by framemaker » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 11:32 pm

Just two paper T hinges at the top, hinged to the undermount.

stcstc

Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by stcstc » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 11:40 pm

ok richard, cool


i have just never done this kind of thing and was sure what was best practice

Roboframer

Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by Roboframer » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 11:52 pm

stcstc wrote:what you mean is use the mylar/melinex?.
Not necessarily, you can make edge support strips out of paper, be it 500 micron 'barrier' board or Japanese tissue, and then you can fix them with starch paste, which gives a mechanical bond. You'd have to use double-sided tape on melinex, which wouldn't be a problem, as long as you pass the ends of the strips through the mounting board as mentioned above.

Another case of better materials and methods costing less/paying for convenience.

If I were you (and assuming normal 'T' hinges are out for whatever reason) I'd probably opt for what's in your Lion link, but with the adaption of passing the ends of the top and bottom strips through the board and securing at the back.

I can probably provide some links if you like, but they'll be from across the pond, which is a bit sad really.

stcstc

Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by stcstc » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 12:20 am

i just dont have an idea about doing the paste thing,and not kitchen etc in office,which means i guess it would be a faff

would i be better with

http://www.lionpic.co.uk/product/LINECO ... ,7833.aspx

framemaker

Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by framemaker » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 8:56 am

Stephen, I think the 'V' or mounting strips in your first link would be a better choice than the tape above.

But because these also rely on a self adhesive bond, Robo is saying that the at least the bottom strip (but also the top too really) should be longer than the art, the ends of which pass through some cuts in the undermount, these can the be secured with tape at the back too. So if the adhesive on the strips fails, they are being held in place by going through the undermount.

Its like a backup, of course these strips are probably too short, Lion do some longer ones, or make from melinex and fix with 3M 415 tape or maybe the fillet tape that Lion also sell.

stcstc

Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by stcstc » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 9:13 am

thanks richard and robo

i will have a go, with a test piece, before trying to do the real thing

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Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by absolute framing » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 4:33 pm

Hi Steve,

If you wana pop int my workshop I'll show you a few different techniques.
Probably the easiest would be Archival Gummed Paper T-Hinges.
Ill run through some practical options in both techniques and materials with you.
Stephen Strahan GCF
(JGF in waiting)

stcstc

Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by stcstc » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 4:49 pm

oh stephen tanks mad, will give ya a shout next week

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Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by MITREMAN » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 9:59 pm

Great offer from Absolute framing of Technical help.

Good on ya Boy :clap:

IMHO I do think that T-hinges will be ok if the artwork is of normal paper
but Robo's method of a pass through support can be very useful.

If you ever require longer see-Thru strips you can find them here..

http://www.framersequipment.co.uk/conservation.htm

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A framers favourite for hinge-less mounting of artworks. Lineco Mounting Strips are strong and safe and made from conservation quality Mylar polyester with a laminated slim strip of acid-free paper and on one side and set just in from the inner edge of the paper is a self adhesive backing strip to avoid glue migrating. Application is easy - lay your artwork in position on an acid-free backing, place the strips around the artwork, and adhere the strips to the backing. No adhesive ever touches the artwork. Strips can be cut to the required size of each job. Available in 4" strips and now economical 12" strips, each package contains 60 strips.

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Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by stcstc » Thu 14 Apr, 2011 9:39 am

well thank you to stephen strahane from absolute framing

i went over to see him yesterday

nice to have meet him, top bloke

showed me how he would do the piece

so again thankyou

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Re: chalk drawing on paper

Post by prospero » Thu 16 Jun, 2011 7:30 pm

A footnote to this topic and as it's the Outgassing section.......

I had a framed pastel in today for re-framing. It's in a thin black frame. No mount. The pastel in firmly pressed against the glass. And what's more it's been like that since 1938. :shock: there is a slight blurring on the written title and the signature, but the image itself (a dog's head) is perfect. It was done on dark brown paper though. :P I haven't disassembled the frame yet, but I suspect it is stuck down to the plywood back. :roll:
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