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I'm looking for some help to identify a couple of gold mouldings.

The first, according to the customer is 20mm x 20mm (but appears to be wider) and looks like this:
The second is slightly more complex. The total width across both frame and slip is 180mm, the frame looks to be slightly wider than the slip and has a reverse profile. The slip could easily be some PSE timber suitably finished. Does anybody have any pointers?
Many thanks for taking the time for having a look at this.

Any idea of the age of the frames? Stuff like this tends to come and go in a short period and the chances
of finding it is generally slim. The top one in particular looks very '80s.

i think prospero is correct about the top one It reminds me of a long gone Sizzlings of Bradford moulding. I have no idea regarding the second one, sorry.

Peter