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Advice needed on sports shirt framing please.

Post by davetheframer » Tue 28 Jan, 2020 4:04 pm

I hope you more experienced framers can help.
My son and I have been asked numerous times to frame sports shirts but have (wrongly) shied away from it.
We can cut the mounts in house, but need to know how to attach the shirts.
Taping them to a backboard seems to be frowned upon.
We want to do a good job, so any advice would be much appreciated.

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Post by NessFramers » Tue 28 Jan, 2020 4:10 pm

Hi David

Invest in a tag gun, you can get them from Lion or Amazon etc, makes life a lot easier and virtually invisible to see.

Hope this helps.

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Post by Timh » Tue 28 Jan, 2020 4:47 pm

I use 5mm fomecore and cut a sort of body shape and stretch the shirt over that securing with tabs as Ness framers mention above

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Post by Justintime » Tue 28 Jan, 2020 5:26 pm

You'd probably find one of Jan's courses useful.
http://www.framersequipment.co.uk/training_framing.htm

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Post by StevenG » Tue 28 Jan, 2020 5:29 pm

As above - I cut a shape from 5mm foamboard and using pins, I attach it to the mountboard behind... something along the lines of this video....


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Post by Not your average framer » Tue 28 Jan, 2020 6:43 pm

It's a lot of work and lots of customers in low wage areas will do their best to talk you into doing it at unrealistic prices. I generally won't frame a sports shirt from any less than £125. Lots of these people almost expect you to do it while they wait. Quite often it's for a special occassion, where the have left it to the last minute to get it framed.

I am pretty good at very neat stitching and have various sizes of tag guns and tags. Hiding the stitches and the tags sometimes takes a bit of know how. II also use similar materials for framing medals. Quite often somebody has to die before their medals get framed, so time scales can be a bit crazy with the funeral only days away. I try to keep plenty of materials in stock, to avoid not getting things in time.
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Post by GeoSpectrum » Tue 28 Jan, 2020 7:29 pm

I stoped doing shirts several years ago now. I was always getting asked to do them and would quote in the £125 region. Always too expensive for around here so my answer now is no. Sorry.

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Post by pramsay13 » Tue 28 Jan, 2020 10:46 pm

I use a mixture of tags and double sided fabric tape. I cut the shape for the inside and then stretch the top over it.

I stress to my customers that it's just not possible to frame a sports top using fully reversible methods.

I usually charge around £150 for a normal framing job, with extra if they want to add a photo, or a plaque etc.

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Post by MITREMAN » Wed 29 Jan, 2020 12:57 am

"Keep It Reversible"
Don't devalue sport shirts or artworks by using double sided tapes as in the above video.
Framing sports shirts can be done with fully reversible methods with out the need for double sided tape.

Practice makes perfect and you price accordingly, give your customer options.

I have seen valuable shirts ruined by framers dry mounting them :x Basically its just become wall decor.

If you are going to frame a shirt using such products you must tell the customer what & how you are doing it so they understand the consequences.

Advise a reversible method first up selling and maintaining value.

If the customer does want to pay your price for a proper job, let them walk away or

Get them to sign a disclaimer so you are covered if you decide to use a none reversible method, as you have ruined the shirt and its value even if the tape is PH7 neutral and the comeback, could cost you....

http://www.framersequipment.co.uk/FEL_B ... Course.pdf

http://www.framersequipment.co.uk/training_framing.htm

http://www.framersequipment.co.uk/index.htm

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Post by Steve N » Wed 29 Jan, 2020 7:54 am

We start off with a DIY frame for sports shirts, for £100.00 , as can be seen on our website http://www.frontierpictureframes.com/Sp ... aming.html if the customer doesn't/can't put the shirt in , we charge an extra £20.00 for doing this (about 20 mins work)
It's two frames in one, the inner one holds the glass away from the shirt, then we cut a bit of foamcore to fit the inner frame and the shirt is stretched around this, pinning into the sides of the foamcore, 'fully reversible method' . the outer frame a double rebate frame, so the backing board goes in the rebate at the far back, leaving plenty of room for the excess shirt to be folded around. you only see the front of the shirt with this method, no sleeves, I 'Borrowed' this method from Kevin at Moonshine Framing :winky: :sadsmile:

Our 'Full Custom' start at £185.00 . we put a foamcore former inside the shirt and then sew that to the backing, spacers to keep the glass off and/or with a mount at the front of the frame, as with the cricket shirt on our site or the 'Second Variation' football shirt near the bottom of the page

it can take the best part of an afternoon to mount the shirt and attach it to the backing and then assemble , so we never discount shirt framing, 'that's the price ' I'd rather they go somewhere else...............................
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Post by Timh » Wed 29 Jan, 2020 8:38 am

I wholly agree with Mitreman
never use double sided tape
I had a 1966 England replica shirt in signed by some of the original players who won the world cup

needless to say the double sided tape had embedded into the fabric and had to be sent to a textile restorer for removal

The fomecore and tab method is reversible and point it it out to the customer you are doing a top end job to protect their work
if using pins make sure they are a certain type that are coated and will not rust over time
I've seen this too

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Post by Not your average framer » Wed 29 Jan, 2020 10:12 am

there are those who are offering training on how to frame sports shirts and proper training is well worth having. I think this could be a good way forward.
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Post by Not your average framer » Wed 29 Jan, 2020 10:32 am

I see from the framersequipment web site that they do an intermediate level framing course which includes sports shirt framing. Framers equipment is run by Peter and Jan Stanlick, who have been in the business for years and their father too!
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Post by davetheframer » Wed 29 Jan, 2020 11:17 am

Thank you so much for your advice.
It's been invaluable.
We have a sublimation printer which will print text onto the plaque.
Any advice on where to get blank plaques?
(I will then leave you all in peace to get on with your day jobs !!!) :D

Thanks again
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Post by +Rafe+ » Thu 30 Jan, 2020 8:50 am

Just to add my input - Framers Equipment courses as outlined by Jan / Miterman are great! I would recommend highly!

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Post by NessFramers » Thu 30 Jan, 2020 12:21 pm

Hi David

I’ve never been asked to supply plaques for sports shirts as in my experience it’s the customer that supplies everything that they would like incorporated into frame. :)

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Post by MITREMAN » Thu 30 Jan, 2020 12:34 pm

You can get engraved plaques made by trophy shops they charge by per letter. Find a good local shop, ask them for 4 designs you can display.
Then you can add a bit on and charge the customer.
But the Snag is, you must get the customer to write down the wording and check it with them, dates, names, spelling once its agreed, get your engraving done, but check when you get it back.
It is easy and more profit as long as you check at all stages.
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Post by pramsay13 » Sat 01 Feb, 2020 10:57 pm

MITREMAN wrote:
Wed 29 Jan, 2020 12:57 am
"Keep It Reversible"
Don't devalue sport shirts or artworks by using double sided tapes as in the above video.
Framing sports shirts can be done with fully reversible methods with out the need for double sided tape.

Practice makes perfect and you price accordingly, give your customer options.

I have seen valuable shirts ruined by framers dry mounting them :x Basically its just become wall decor.

If you are going to frame a shirt using such products you must tell the customer what & how you are doing it so they understand the consequences.

Advise a reversible method first up selling and maintaining value.

If the customer does want to pay your price for a proper job, let them walk away or

Get them to sign a disclaimer so you are covered if you decide to use a none reversible method, as you have ruined the shirt and its value even if the tape is PH7 neutral and the comeback, could cost you....

http://www.framersequipment.co.uk/FEL_B ... Course.pdf

http://www.framersequipment.co.uk/training_framing.htm

http://www.framersequipment.co.uk/index.htm

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I've never seen a sports top framed well in a fully reversible manner.
If you are using only tags or pins you are putting holes in the fabric.
As long as the customer is aware I don't have an issue using tape as I think it looks better.

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Post by Justintime » Sat 01 Feb, 2020 11:53 pm

Fabrics are woven, so tags don't actually make holes in fabric. The tag gun needle will naturally pass between the threads, not damaging the fabric.

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Post by poliopete » Sun 02 Feb, 2020 8:26 am

I agree Justin :yes: and only use a combination of stitches and tags and never any type of tape or glue.

The colour range of threads available make concealing the stitches easy and tags can also be hidden. I find it more accurate to cut half the template for the inside of the shirt and then fold over and mark out the whole inner template to stretch over.

I find myself framing shirts for a third generation of customers these days. Not only sports shirts but signed school shirts when kiddies move to the next school.

The moulding I mainly use for shirts is D&J Simons ECON 35, 37, 38 or 39. They cut and join well and have a deep enough rebate. I like to line the rebate with the same colour mountboard as the back. Wessex also do suitable mouldings in their essential range.

Framing shirts is quite new to me and I did practise on a couple after researching on here but now confident I charge a high price, between £150 - £200 and so far it has not put anyone off. :D

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