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How to value an original painted in 1882

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An item on Antiques Road show prompted me to take a look at a picture I have kept in the loft for the last 30 odd years as I didn't appreciate it when it was given to me. I see its a original water colour by W. CASLEY dated 1882.
Some Googling tells me he was a fairly well known West Country artist and his pictures have sold recently for around £1000 at auction.
I then tried various sites www.artnet.com www.artprice.com www.fineartinfo.com etc but it seems they all want you to take out a subscription to get an estimate. Suppose that's reasonable. :)

I'm sure someone on TFF will know about valuing originals, so please give me some advice.
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At least 2 of the web sites offer daily subscriptions to their data bases.
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Trying to value a work of art on the basis of values from various website is a bit meaningless for most artists. Even different works by the same artist with be valued differently according to subject matter, size, condition and aesthetics.

You need to speak to some one with experience of buying and selling that particular artists work and has the right sort of reputation as well.
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I am often asked to value paintings and the usual response is, "What someone is willing to pay you for it." :?

There are different ways of looking at it. On the Antiques Roadshow and such the values the 'experts' give are replacement values. What you would insure it for in other words. It's a completely different kettle of fish if you wanted to sell it.

Ever watch 'Pawn Stars'? OK, most of it is staged but at least based on fact. People get on the web to try and get a handle on the value of their item. Very misleading. Just because something is offered for sale at $10000 doesn't mean someone has paid that amount for it. And what something sells at auction for is not what the owner goes home with.

What Mark says is very true. There are many factors that contribute to the desirability of an artwork. Also the market is very fickle.
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I'm also often asked to value, or for my opinion of value - I just say I don't do valuations! (but it's very good and I could make it look even gooder!)

The antiques roadshow's experts do not deserve inverted commas, they are experts indeed and they give the actual value, not the insurance value, but sometimes they do add that the insurance value would be even higher. Several things have been sold for far more, they knows what they's talking about!
Keith Hewitt wrote:I'm sure someone on TFF will know about valuing originals, so please give me some advice.
I do stuff for an antique dealer specialising in paintings - send me a piccie - I'll let you know what he reckons.
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Thanks John
Will send you a pic.
Its a funny story. My parents had 3 paintings inherited from their parents. They never told me they had any value and I gave 2 away with some of their furniture to a man who made Colourmount who was just starting his first home.
It was only when the artist appeared on Antiques Road show I realised they were more than just some amateur painter, and decided to Google his name.

I was gobsmacked to discover I had a painting of some value. :o Better take down a De Montfort print and let Mr W Casley 1882 get an airing! :clap:
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http://artsalesindex.artinfo.com/ you may have to register but it's free to search.

It suggests, assuming that it is the same William Casley who was active 1891-1912, that the scene is attractive, that it is from the period of his career that people like to buy (if there is one), that it is a similar size to the others he painted, etc. that it might make between £300 and £1000 at auction. If the condition is poor, or an unattractive composition, it might make as little as £100, or less. If it's particularly fine or large then it might make two or three thousand, or more, with a following wind. At a dealer on Bond Street, make up a price.
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Not long ago I took a vintage painting to an auction house with a view to it going in a sale. It was by an artist who had been a member of a very prominent and respected group at the turn of the 19th/20th century. I could see from the online prices that the artist's paintings sold for anything from two or three thousand to zero (ie unsold). The auctioneer gave it a valuation at the lower end and explained in detail the reasons why - it was from the artist's later period, more impressionistic than his earlier works, I forget what else. Because the artist had a reputation, the auctioneer explained that his paintings would normally be bought by aficionados, but that aficionados would not place a high value on this one. Anyway, the auctioneer put a min/max valuation on it and I left it to go in the next suitable auction, with a Reserve. There was no charge for this valuation and no obligation to put it in the sale, so you might be able to find an auctioneer locally who would offer the same service.

As a footnote, the auction house actually lost the painting. This was a very reputable auction house, been in business for several generations, had prestigious purpose-built premises and held some prestigious auctions :shock: They ended up paying me the maximum valuation and as far as I know the painting was never found, so I'll never know how much the painting could have sold for, or whether it would have sold at all.
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A reasonably priced data base........

Thanks for the link.
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