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Floated newspaper

Postby Roboframer » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:27 pm

The "Hedgehog method" - I was pleased at how flat these came out and also how we managed to get no little damp patches whatsoever using starch paste and Japanese tissue hinges.

Moulding is from Nielsen exclusive "Shabby Chic" range. Conservation clear glass and foam board spacers.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Graysalchemy » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:35 pm

Well done John :clap: :clap:

I love the fact that you are trying to protect something that hit the self destruct button the day the paper was made. :giggle: :giggle:

However with such subject matter every effort should be made :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Roboframer » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:50 pm

Well artcare boards and spacers give a bit more help.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby IFGL » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:05 pm

Nice job, you must have used a black peice of card to float it to as i dont see any of the reverse side text showing through.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Roboframer » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:18 pm

It's the fallout from the charcoal surround, which is face down on the back of the paper in the first photo.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby IFGL » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:24 pm

Very frugal, does Framiac take this into account when pricing, it is Framiac you use isn't it?
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Roboframer » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:42 pm

It's in the "Extras" under float mounting - won't matter which method we use it's mainly time, which is well covered in Framiac. Same applies to spacers, skinny strips you'd normally toss.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Bracken643 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:55 pm

Great job I have been asked to do the same mount a Hockney which was printed on newspaper my concern was the use of tape to secure the print to a board as the tape would I assume bleed through the paper. You mentioned some Japanese tape where do you get it.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Roboframer » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:23 pm

Not tape, Japanese tissue, bought in sheets which are wet-torn in to strips to give feathered edges and then wet-torn again to make hinges, they're all lined up in the first photo. Then wheat starch paste is applied just to the ends.

You don't apply them wet, they are allowed to go off until just wet enough for the type of paper, which could be almost dry!

You can buy gummed tape such as Hayaku from Lion and other suppliers and although good they are not a patch on the above and cost more.

I buy Japanese tissue and starch paste from preservation equipment ltd, there is also conservation by design.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby prospero » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:34 pm

Hayaku has gone down the gurgler I do believe. :( Lots of none-sticking batches.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby muffinski » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:46 pm

nice job! did you follow the method exactly as the link showed you previously provided?
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Roboframer » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:58 pm

Pretty much except for not needing the strips of release paper mentioned as I didn't use tape. Another advantage of making your own hinges, paste can be applied only where needed and in any consistency you like.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby muffinski » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:01 pm

might have to start using starch and japanese tissue if cheaper and more control.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Roboframer » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:37 pm

It's far more versatile than any pre-gummed tape not only because you mix and apply the paste but also because it comes in many different weights and colours.

Now that Hayaku has gone there's nothing I can think of that comes as close anyway but when I say it's 'cheaper' - that's compared to Filmoplast P90, not that the savings are anything to get excited about or anything, just interesting that the best costs less.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Not your average framer » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:29 pm

I assume that the newspaper dates from the 1966 world cup, which makes that 50 years ago. I have to admit that I'm not sure that I would want to hinge something that unreplaceable and probably quite fragile after 50 years. It's not that I know another way of doing this, although I do, but I'm really impressed with your ability and experience when it comes to doing work like this.

A really great job! :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Roboframer » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:57 pm

Ah it's nuthin' 8) Kidding, it can be a worry, so thank you. You discuss the pros and cons, charge correctly (that sorts out the men from the boys) and worry about it in slow time.

I can't find another original copy on line, well, not quickly anyway, I can find some other newspapers from the same day like the Sunday People - they are going for about £190 and the next day is the same; they're "key dates". I can find loads from my DOB 11 years previous for far less.

I don't like float mounting things that are irreplaceable (etc) but in this case I think that even with best practice and materials the item's life is limited so what the heck - and even if that were not the case it is what the customer definitely wanted so the best had to be made of that decision and I think it was the right decision anyway, show the lot, wouldn't be the same with a window mount over the edges.

It gets scary when the artwork is on paper that is as thin as the lightest Japanese tissue you can get; at least this paper still had quite a bit of body, we even sorted out a bad fold and made a few small repairs.

How would you have done it? For me the right tissue - and wheat starch paste of the correct consistency and moisture .... rules - can't get better IMHO, but if not floated I could have done it with either no adhesive in contact or no adhesive whatsoever - its life would not have been prolonged any further though.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Not your average framer » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:57 pm

I like to take the lowest risk option with anything that might be fragle and unreplaceable. If I was worried about a job like that, I would fit the newspaper into a folded paper carrier, where the paper was folded over the edges of the newspaper all round and fixed into position on the undermount. Where the paper folded over the front of the edges of the nespaper would be hidden under the edges of the window mount and therefore not visible. The paper would of course be of conservation quality.

I've not done many thing like this, but it works quite well in practise, however you do need to allow a little space to allow for expansion of the newspaper, or whatever it is that you are framing. I've not seen this technique used by other framers, but I'd be suprised if others somewhere don't do something similar. When I was a bookbinder and paper conservator, it was a favourite technique for storing valueable artifacts on paper mounted on oversized boards to prevent damage in transit. It is also very quick and easy to do!

What do you think about that as a technique?
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Roboframer » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:08 am

It's a very common technique - it's mounting strips/edge mounting strips, which can be done in a couple of ways either in paper or in Melinex.

I was asking how you would do THIS - i.e how would you float mount it?
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Not your average framer » Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:19 pm

Oh I see what you mean! I would load the newspaper into paper carrier fold the edges over to retain it and then in the past I have used hinging tape to fix the papper carrier to the undermount. I have only ever done this with paper, not Mylar. The window mount was hinged onto the undermount and hides the folded over edges of the paper carrier.

I can't remember all of the paper items I have done this with, even though there all that weren't many of them, but the one that I particularly remember was the Times suplement commemorating the climbing of Everest. The owner did not want to seperate the front paper from the back page although the other pages were already lost. Only two pages was not thick enough to use a sink mount, so this seemed to be a good option.

At the time, I mounted and framed all manner of memorabilia for this customer, who was a local memorabilia dealer and never wanted to spend anymore than neccessary on getting it done. I never made a fortune doing work for him, but while he was still trading, we had an arrangement that he would offer me lower priced work when business was a bit quiet. This came in quite handy when I was a bit short of money coming into the shop.
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Re: Floated newspaper

Postby Roboframer » Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:48 pm

Let's try again.

How would you FLOAT MOUNT this - to show the edges of the paper (which is what float mounting means) as I have?

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