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Post by Pro-Am » Fri 17 Mar, 2017 12:31 am

A customer dropped in an old frame to have the picture (circa 1940's) copied. On removing the backing paper I found this; a little acidic I think.
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Post by sable filbert » Fri 17 Mar, 2017 7:43 am

We used to see this all the time, sometimes damage was done, others not, surprisingly.
Getting less common now though.

And I rarely see the semi-opaque coating, patiently and methodically attaching itself to glass, that the smokers played at.
Yuck.

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Post by prospero » Fri 17 Mar, 2017 4:27 pm

Don't chuck that old back out! Slice it up into strips and glue it to some square timber.
You have the makings of an awesome 'rustic' frame. Bit of wax and a yellow duster - bingo.
I always save old backs like that. Not often you see one all one piece. That sort of texture
is not easy to reproduce. Pure wood porn. :P

I've got a few bundles of fence slats in the shed waiting to be re-purposed. :giggle:
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Post by vintage frames » Fri 17 Mar, 2017 4:32 pm

I wouldn't be inclined to throw that backing board away. Those in the antique trade call it split pine backing and was used extensively in early picture frames. As it's just a piece of pine, I'm not sure if it would have any detrimental effect on the frame contents. Either way it would be best to re-use it inside the frame, with a barrier board between the artwork, and this would preserve the integrity of the picture.

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Post by Jamesnkr » Fri 17 Mar, 2017 4:47 pm

I always save it. But seldom reuse it...

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Post by prospero » Sat 18 Mar, 2017 12:17 am

Hard to think that composite wooden boards are a comparatively recent innovation. :roll:
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Post by hyperfocal » Mon 20 Mar, 2017 1:03 am

The customer, against my advice, insisted I put it back as it was. Sentimental attachment won over good practice; surprisingly there was no apparent damage to the picture other than some slight fading.

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Post by prospero » Mon 20 Mar, 2017 7:56 am

Actually, it's not the old boards that are nasty as such. It's usually the board underneath that deteriorates.
On old pictures where a print is mounted to cardboard and there is a gap in the backing board(s), the exposure
to air though the gap makes the underboard go mental. So much so that a big brown streak will appear which
very often permeates right though the print. The parts covered by the slats is more-or-less fine.
The slats will go dark on the outside but on the other side they will look as good as new.
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Post by Steve N » Mon 20 Mar, 2017 8:33 am

Course you can put it back on, just use a good barrier board between it and the artwork, done it many time


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Post by Pro-Am » Tue 21 Mar, 2017 1:29 am

The lady came back today, with the same frame and seven more of the same vintage; having decided to get them all copied, with the originals to be put into archival envelopes for storage and the copies to be framed. My recommendation must of sunk in.

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Post by Jamesnkr » Tue 21 Mar, 2017 9:37 am

What on earth is the point in hanging photocopies? You recommended that?

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Post by Pro-Am » Wed 22 Mar, 2017 5:44 am

Jamesnkr wrote:What on earth is the point in hanging photocopies? You recommended that?
No I have a professional photo lab, the pictures are scanned and the digital files are restored then printed on photographic paper.

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Post by Jamesnkr » Wed 22 Mar, 2017 10:24 am

So that's not a copy and not produced by a photographic process.....

I repeat my question. What's the point in hanging a photographic copy; did you seriously recommend that? If somebody came in with the Mona Lisa would you recommend the same process?

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Post by JohnMcafee » Wed 22 Mar, 2017 11:44 am

Lots of folk with expensive artwork do precisely this. Keep the art in a vault and display a high quality copy on their wall.

Also I have had many customers ask us to provide this service for their rapidly deteriorating newspaper cuttings.
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Post by prospero » Wed 22 Mar, 2017 12:04 pm

Another reason people hang a copy and archive the original is insurance. Keeping a Rembrandt on your wall
would cost an enormous amount to insure. Over a few years it would cost more than you paid for the painting.
Cheaper to out it in a bank vault. :D
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Post by Pro-Am » Wed 22 Mar, 2017 10:59 pm

Jamesnkr wrote:So that's not a copy and not produced by a photographic process.....

I repeat my question. What's the point in hanging a photographic copy; did you seriously recommend that? If somebody came in with the Mona Lisa would you recommend the same process?
I must not be making myself clear, the original photographs will be scanned, tweaked and then printed on a digital photographic printer. The photographic paper is light sensitive and passes through a chemical process the same as it did back in the days of darkrooms. The paper we use has an archival rating of 100 years.

Most photographic labs use a hybrid system where the input is digital and the print is produced on a standard photographic paper. Although for good or bad the trend is moving towards total digital printing involving inks rather than chemicals. As an aside when my printer was originally purchased 10 years ago it cost me $165000, about the price of a reasonable family home back then.
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Re: Backing Board

Post by vintage frames » Thu 23 Mar, 2017 9:02 am

I don't think the argument is quite hitting home.

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Post by Jamesnkr » Thu 23 Mar, 2017 9:58 am

Pro-Am wrote:I must not be making myself clear,
I'm sure you're doing lots of clever things with your fancy equipment; I'm not trying to knock that at all, I have no doubt you are very well equipped and skilled. However I must not be making myself clear.

I just don't see the point in hanging a photocopy (no matter how expensive the photocopier) - and putting the originals in a drawer somewhere. Do you recommend that anybody who comes in with original art should have it copied and leave the original in a drawer?


If so, art dealers are all now out of jobs.

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Post by prospero » Thu 23 Mar, 2017 10:38 am

James. This is a common and accepted practice. Sometimes there are things that are so fragile
and beyond restoration that putting them in a frame would not be an option. The only option if
they are to displayed is to make a copy and frame that.
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Re: Backing Board

Post by Jamesnkr » Thu 23 Mar, 2017 10:40 am

There went the last of the romantics!

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