3rd hand CS88

Bagel Framer · Post by **Bagel Framer** » Fri 30 Nov, 2007 2:08 pm

Hi all,

You may or may not be aware but there's a 3rd hand CS88 on ebay at the moment:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... :IT&ih=003

I'm keen to get a CS88 for my workshop and will probably bid on this one.

My only concern is I can't try it out first, plus I don't know how much it will go for. I also have the option of buying new too.

Any tips?

w00dward · Post by **w00dward** » Fri 30 Nov, 2007 4:01 pm

I was watching this as well but driving down to Twickenham would be a pain.

There are some new Charnwood underpinners at £380 I think I'm going to go for one of these. At least I'll get a 2 year warranty and it'll be delivered.
Ebay Link

Bagel Framer · Post by **Bagel Framer** » Fri 30 Nov, 2007 4:21 pm

The Charnwood is another pinner to consider, that is true - brand new too.

Not sure if what it does stacks up against the CS88, perhaps others have some thoughts on the Charnwood M3 vs Cassese CS88...?

daviddeer · Post by **daviddeer** » Fri 30 Nov, 2007 4:43 pm

Perhaps you would consider this A unique underpinner I wonder what the elastic bands do?

And a snip at £285

Bagel Framer · Post by **Bagel Framer** » Fri 30 Nov, 2007 6:41 pm

Nice bit of kit there David, quality description "not". Might watch it for a giggle....

Bagel Framer · Post by **Bagel Framer** » Wed 05 Dec, 2007 10:53 am

David,

It completely slipped my mind to bid on that "picture framing machine" you sent me, damn..!

Lucky I got a CS88 instead, phew

daviddeer · Post by **daviddeer** » Wed 05 Dec, 2007 4:48 pm

Don't worry it has two days to go.
I just thought, you could use it for clay pidgeon shooting, looks like it could launch a clay or two, or maybe an errant frame.
I also found that you could also buy an entire picture framing business at Daltons weekly. I was intrugued by the advert for the SPECIALIST CONFECTIONER/PICTURE GALLERY & FRAMING. I have never been able to make chocolate frames to Conservation standard as I end up eating the finished product.
I recently saw an article in a very old newsapaper I found in my parents stuff where a picture frame 'expert' said, "when you have finshed nailing the frame together, bend over the end of the nails to provide a tight mitre". This was after appying the two layers of boiled cascamite to the hand cut frame!
Looks like your original Casesse went for £510. Just a tip, always look at the underpinner before purchasing. I bought a cs88 a couple of years back and the engineer said that although it was not completely Knackered it was chuffing close. I bought it on Ebay sight unseen and spent many weeks of frustration trying to pin 3 1/2" frames with a wedge assembly held in with copydex. It is still staring at me from the corner of the unit every time I turn on the 486 ultra.

Bagel Framer · Post by **Bagel Framer** » Thu 06 Dec, 2007 10:44 am

My boss is into clay pigeon shooting, perhaps I'll send him the link..!

Chocolate frames would be seasonal too, so there'd be no income in the summer due to the melting chocolate. Chocolate teapots spring to mind

You should make that newspaper article available to the forum, I'm sure everyone would be intrigued to read it....!

Back to the serious stuff - we bidded on the CS88 to which you refer and will pick it up at the weekend. On the basis that it's been recently serviced, (my reasoning being an engineer wouldn't service a plie of crock) plus favourable answers from my other questions we took the plunge - hopefully it'll be a nice swim in calm waters rather than shark infested. Hopefully it will be ok, but I do appreciate your comments.

What's involved in the servicing of these units?

Is it something the user can do?

daviddeer · Post by **daviddeer** » Thu 06 Dec, 2007 5:13 pm

Servicing the units can be done by yourself but I would advise that you get and engineer to set it up. The main areas to examine are the clamping head and the top distributor block.
You can see a thread here to see something of what I mean. If the rebate clamps work at the same time that a wedge is inserted then all is usually ok. also ensure that the tube containing the pulley wheels is well secured and inline with the table. I would also suggest placing it next to a flat surface so that larger frames can be rested on it during nailing. Nothing worse that trying to hold 4' of 4" moulding for pinning. There is a v shaped (bar) pin that pushes the wedges up into the frame through the top distributor head, it can be removed with an allen key, spare bars should have been given to you with the machine. These should be adjusted or changed if they stick in the head or do not insert the wedges correctly. They are quite small pieces so pop them in a plastic bag with silica gel and sellotape them to the machine. Watch for stuck wedges or the block dropping or lifting. I doubt you will encounter many problems with your machine as it looks well cared for.
Always ensure the machine is well lubricated, with silicone not WD40. An old toothbrush cleans the head area well after use. Finally I would always use Casesse wedges on Casesse machines. A good engineer will advise you not only on the operation and maintainance of the machine but the best products to use with it.
I wish you every sucess, I loved my machine even though it was almost dead, the engineer saved the day with a toothbrush and a lot of sweat.

Bagel Framer · Post by **Bagel Framer** » Fri 07 Dec, 2007 11:18 am

Thanks David - I like to think I can turn my hands to most things, plus I'm an ex Mechanical Engineer but am more than happy to have the unit serviced regularly by the right people.

Great notes on what to check and look out for it has to be said - going by the dimensions of the CS88 on Cassese's website, my bench is shorter than it but I can ealiy make some platforms for the larger frame.

I'll look out for the key bits, we also thought a good test of the machine would be to get the current owner to show me how to pin a chevron set together with two bits we can take with us - that then shows the uunit working and educates me a bit on it too...!

Moglet · Post by **Moglet** » Fri 07 Dec, 2007 5:29 pm

Bagel Framer wrote:we also thought a good test of the machine would be to get the current owner to show me how to pin a chevron set together with two bits we can take with us....

1" wide, deep rebate ash, perchance?