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I'm just getting confused. Seems like making an informed choice just got a little bit more difficult. Feels like I'm watching a match at Wimbledon.Might be heading in the ArtBak direction though. Then again, customers might think I'm selling them cardboard. Can just hear the conversation now, "It's very good quality conservation board". "But it's cardboard" "Yes, but it's Ph buffered and has a vapour barrier". "But it's cardboard" . Will probably tell them nought and use the extra 10 minutes to have a cup of tea.
Have to agree with Dottad about artists (some) doing things on the cheap. Had a lady come in last week with beautiful watercolour. Had a 20 minute conversation about acid free, conservation, barrier paper, hinges and the like, then she chose to ignore everything and picked mounts and probably one of the cheapest frames in stock that did nothing for the art. Suggested a couple of alternatives that would enhance the painting. Might increase the selling price."Naaaaaaaaa! That one will do fine". God save us from Joe (Josephene)Public.
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tightmitre wrote:she chose to ignore everything and picked mounts and probably one of the cheapest frames in stock that did nothing for the art.
Despite our best efforts, people will sometimes choose something dumb, but we have to make sure we have the right persuasion skills so that this is eliminated as much as possible.
I've been able to persuade all but two in 22 years and one of those, I suggested that she get someone else to stuff up her art. The other one is a much longer story!
Hmmm! Would've tried to hone the selling technique on Mrs F. but her purse seems to be in the permanently open ( 24hr shopping ) mode at the moment.
Don't you just love Xmas!
Harry F.
Aine, Thanks for the tip and the advice re: colourmount barrier board.
If you were doing a "full" conservation job, would you use the same backing mount as you have used for the front mount? plus a conservation backing board like Artbak conservation?
All, found a glass supplier called Rich Glass in Dun Laoghaire have supplied me small quantity of paper interleaved 2mm float glass at 10.80 Euros per sheet incl. VAT and delivery. Is that good for the Republic of Ireland?
If I'm using a standard thickness mountboard for an undermount, I will use "spare" stuff, as long as it's basic conservation grade or higher, i.e. it doesn't need to be the same colour as the windowmount. For Arqadia and ArtCare boards, I have to buy in packs of 5, so using the "excess" boards as undermounts is a handy way to keep stock levels down. For more valuable work, I will either use solidcore conservation board or rag board depending on what's appropriate for the job. I have started migrating to using Artcare as my standard board range, so will be using Artcare boards as undermounts in the future. (Bainbridge offer the thinner "barrier" boards in their range, too.)
You've done well with your glass supplier, Grover! I currently pay €12 inc VAT for a 3' x 4' sheet of float (minimum order is only 20 lites). Many places round here charge about €15 inc VAT for same. Best price I've seen on the forum is Carey's in Tipp (per previous post).
........Áine JGF SGF FTB .Briseann an dúchas trí shuiligh an chuit.
Merlin wrote:We use mainly Art-Bak Aqua (Corri-Cor 3) and Art-Bal Conv for all bespoke framing work.
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O.K. I'm sold on the Art-Bak, but what is the best tape (brand)? Different views on this as well I would imagine. I take it there isn't a problem with the licky sticky on the Aqua with its water resistant coating?
Harry F.
I am very new and mainly interested in framing antique prints - c.1800 - 1860. I read the Lion catalogue and decided that anything made from " re-cycled newsprint" was not "excellent for backing pictures" so I have decided to use Foam-lite mainly because it seems easier to cut, the prints will be mounted on Peterboro conservation, which will act as a barrier, and the mat will be the same, I will mount the print using Archival mounting corners so nothing is going to be stuck to the prints at all. I found Lion's classification helpful especially when read in conjunction with the FATG web site advise. Comments? Could I do it better? Some of the prints I have I aquired ready framed, when I took them out of the frame some had kitchen foil as a barrier! i would welcome the name of a good supplier of UV galss in the Eastern region of the UK.
tightmitre wrote:... what is the best tape (brand)? ...
If you want to use a self-adhesive tape for backing, I can highly recommend "P-tape" from Lion (Tesa brand). Best I've used to date. Not sure how it would work adhesion-wise with the Artback board you mention, though, as I've not yet used the latter.
bexwell wrote:Could I do it better?
Since joining the forum, Bexwell, I've decided to start using Bainbridge Artcare for my standard mountboard range, as the range offers active protection within the frame package against offgassing, etc. It's worth reading some of the forum backposts or visiting Nielsen Bainbridge's website (haven't time to post a link - sorry), to learn more about the range.
........Áine JGF SGF FTB .Briseann an dúchas trí shuiligh an chuit.
bexwell wrote:I will mount the print using Archival mounting corners so nothing is going to be stuck to the prints at all.
These corners have their uses, but just because no adhesive comes into contact with the artwork, don't think they are the be and end all.
Artwork mounted with these corners is supporting it's own weight and gravity can do its work - hinged from the top only, gravity will work for the artwork and not against it.
The adhesive on the corners can give in time and the artwork can slip on to the residue left behind.
I use these corners for small laminated or encapsulated things and I'll back up the adhesive too.
"Yes, but it's Ph buffered and has a vapour barrier". "But it's cardboard" 
. Will probably tell them nought and use the extra 10 minutes to have a cup of tea.
I currently pay €12 inc VAT for a 3' x 4' sheet of float (minimum order is only 20 lites). Many places round here charge about €15 inc VAT for same. Best price I've seen on the forum is Carey's in Tipp (per previous post).
Some of the prints I have I aquired ready framed, when I took them out of the frame some had kitchen foil as a barrier! i would welcome the name of a good supplier of UV galss in the Eastern region of the UK.