MORSO lubricant,

[flypitcher]

Hi Folks ,
Do people have a preferred lubricant that they use on their machinery?
Do they use the same oil on everything?ie underpinner, mount cutter .

Thanks in advance

[Ed209]

I use traditional 3 in 1 oil & the spray version as well. But would have thought the best bet is sewing machine oil.
I use silicon spay & grease on my manual mount cutter.
bit wary of WD40 as its really a moisture replant and can do damage to some components but on a training course was advised to spay on underpinner as it breaks down any glue deposits

[prospero]

I hardly ever oil anything. Maybe I should do, but I don't.

Over oiling is worse than not oiling in many cases.

Oiling underpinners too lavishly can cause the muck to consolidate with the oil and form solid gunge which clogs up the works.

WD-40 is OK for temporary freeing-up but that tends to do the same.

[Not your average framer]

My understanding is that WD40 was produced for the U.S. Department of War and the WD stands for "water displacer" and the "40" stands for the year 1940. There are other spray lubricants available which are genuinely lubricants. Unfortunately WD40 is not much of a lubricant.

I use GT85 as my general workshop lubricant. It's easy, quick, clean and seems to do the job just fine. As far as I know Morso expect us to use oil.

[prospero]

I heard that the 40 in WD-40 is so called because it was the inventors 40th attempt at creating it.

If he had cracked it at the previous go it would be WD-39 presumably.

[Not your average framer]

[poliopete]

Another good joke prospero

NYAF wrote "As far as i know Morso expect us to use oil" I agree and lubricating points on the machines confirm this.

When I had my framing shop/gallery allowing a little time each week for maintaining/oiling equipment was time well spent. Our silent compressor was drained regularly and oil level checked. The cs Cart was de-gunged and greased from the tube provided when necessary.

One of the advantages of looking after your kit is when you upgrade and want to sell the old stuff. Clean and well maintained equipment is more likely to command a better price

Peter

[framingengineer]

Ok Folks
Morso machines are made of a soft drop forged iron.
The use of any penetrating oil is a complete no no.
Yes 3 in 1 and other penetrators makes it work very smoothly but it is tearing the surface off the metal which in the long term causes play in all the bearings.
Bad News.
Gt85 is great for cleaning but not as a general lube on a Morso.
After cleaning....the best thing to use is a light grease spread copiously on all moving parts.....not stops.
grease forms a layer between the the two metal surfaces and allows good movement and protection also taking out any minimal play.
Got It...????
cheers
Neil
framingengineer.com

[Mark Thornton]

Everyone may have their own opinion (sorry Neil) but i find it better to stick to the manufacturers recommendations:

Danlist quite clearly state oil in their manual:



(and there are no bearings on a Morso)

Mark

[prospero]

That's a new one on me. Acid-free oil.

[Mark Thornton]

That's a new one on me. Acid-free oil.

Sunflower / vegetable oil is acidic so technically they are correct in their wording, although i don't think even framers would contemplate putting it on their Morso.

Mark

[Ultima Thule]

I was flooded Xmas 2010 - flats above burst every pipe they had in a sudden thaw after the lowest temperatures in a century - and my Morso was inundated, along with the rest of my workshop. I sprayed it copiously with WD40, covered it with a mountboard bag and attended to more pressing matters. When I eventually got round to caring for it after a fortnight or so, a wipe down and a rub on the surface of to get rid of some rust saw it as good as new. I occasionally give it a spray of GT85 but apart from that it ticks along nicely, as it has done since 1984. A wonderful machine...

[Justintime]

I use gt85 to stop squeaks, but will take Neil's advice on greasing lower parts. Was advised to keep blades cleaned with silicone spray to remove resins from front of blades. I use the silicone instead of lighter fluid to keep the bars on mount and panel cutters clean and smooth. Works a treat. Also advised not to use anything on the flat surfaces where the moulding sits on the morso, just 400 grit paper to clean and wipe it down. Not on the black left hand extension arm obviously. Rebate supports I clean and silicone spray too.

[framingengineer]

mmeeeowww......!

[JFeig]

Mark,
You are correct in that there are no bearings in a guillotine cutter; However, they sometimes have bushings that have to be lubricated.

Go to any machine shop for a visit and you will see them use various types of oil for lubrication from thin to thick viscosity depending on the use. Grease will harden and become gooey over time thus being a hindrance to smooth friction free movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubricant
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Rea ... ion-basics

[Mark Thornton]

Hi Jerome

Go to any machine shop for a visit

I have been a service engineer for over 25yrs so (yes) i have been to quite a number of machine shops and am very well aware of oiling bushings / guides etc, you are correct in the fact that grease over time will harden and will also become contaminated with wood particles which can cause trouble on a manually operated machine.

Mark

[JFeig]

That second paragraph was for the others, Mark. No insults were given.

[Mark Thornton]

Ah!
Sorry i thought your second paragraph was aimed at me hence my rather short reply.

Thanks for the clarification.

Mark