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Post by Ed209 » Tue 21 May, 2019 10:21 am

Customer would like this framed but would like it reduced in size ie folded in such a way that it looks likes it’s billowing has anyone done this or other suggestions to reduce its overall size (excluding letting my wife wash it)Image


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Post by prospero » Tue 21 May, 2019 10:41 am

The customer appears to be in The Realms of Fantasy. I don't see how billowing would work...

It's the size it is and that's it.

You could fly it from a pole on a windy day, photograph it and frame the photo. :roll:


There is a definite protocol when it comes to folding flags and they end up very small and neat, but not particularly decorative.
I've never done one so I'll will let others chime in. :lol:
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Post by Davie000 » Tue 21 May, 2019 10:57 am

Just off the cuff, and agree the realms of fantasy customers live in, but a board big enough to the size and expanding foam sprayed to give the shape, then lay the flag on and spray starch, within the usual shadow box, as i said off the cuff but its a start, good luck with that, these jobs can often be more hassle than they are worth both in time and effort, sometimes you just have to say no! or they will have to pay a premium.

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Post by Not your average framer » Tue 21 May, 2019 5:39 pm

The impossible is the province of magicians and as your already probably has guessed, that's not you, or me. Generally, our task is to make the best presented result of what is going to provide an adequate level of preservation of the customers iitem. Older flags may have suffer a bit from exposure to the elements, so be a little gentle with them and also be sure that they are in an adequate condition to be safely framed. If not you need to get it looked at by an expert.

I have not framed that many flags, but if you are framing for long enough, they can come along. Washing, or ironing is something I would avoid doing myself, but if you sew it onto a rigid support with a layer of polyester batting behind the flag, a very light degree of tension will allow the polyester batting to help it look flat and smooth. Old things like this, should not be subjected to any significant stress and if the condition warrants it then sewing the flag onto a strong support material, so that the support material takes the strain and not the flag, is the sensible way to go.

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Post by Tudor Rose » Tue 21 May, 2019 10:13 pm

We had a request about 8 years back to frame a White Ensign that had been flown on a Dunkirk Little Boat. The Ensign had belonged to the customer's father and had a long history of eventful travel with him during WW2. In the years after the war the customer remembered it framed up outside his father's company board room and it being, in his words "flat and lifeless". So his request was to give it a bit of life as if it was fluttering in the breeze! The result was as you see below. The flag is covered in soot because it was a coal powered ship and it is very frayed because it was flown so much and often in rough weather. The tag at the bottom was attached to it after the war by his father and lists the names of the crew who took part in the Dunkirk rescue so it had to be left intact.

We used Museum quality boards and the Ensign was sewn to the board using a full sew support method. No other padding or material was added, we kept it simple for this one. This method of overlapping sections has the added benefit of reducing the size slightly which also meets your requirements.

Recently the customer's house was partially damaged by fire and luckily the Ensign was just far enough away from it that only the frame suffered heat and smoke damage. The insurers thought it was ruined because of how sooty it was until it was explained it was meant to look like that. We had it returned to us for a clean up and reframe and the inners were still perfectly sound and it only needed a quick clean up of the edges of the mountboard before being put into a new frame.
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Post by poliopete » Tue 21 May, 2019 10:28 pm

What a superb example of professional framing and meeting a customer's requirements and expectations :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Post by Ed209 » Tue 21 May, 2019 10:28 pm

Excellent job, that’s how my customer described he wanted his but it just didn’t look right folding it here and there. I think the distressed nature of yours helps quite a lot with the overall appearance of the finished job. Will show him yours and have another go at trying to billow layout that looks reasonably natural.


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Post by Tudor Rose » Tue 21 May, 2019 11:26 pm

Here’s another angle. The reflection from the glass does make it a bit awkward to see, but you’ll get the general idea. :D
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Post by Steve N » Wed 22 May, 2019 7:01 am

I don't think it's your's or your wife's job to wash it, that is the customers job, so much could go wrong and you could end up ruining it ,

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Post by theframer » Wed 22 May, 2019 7:11 am

Fantastic Work Jo :clap:
What glass did you use?
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Post by Tudor Rose » Wed 22 May, 2019 7:18 am

Thanks for the lovely comments. It remains one of my favourite pieces of work. It was one of those jobs we didn’t want to hand back, a true bit of history and we were so glad it survived the fire.

The glass was standard 3mm - apart from the size of it there were a variety of reasons for that including where it was being hung and the UV filtering already in place in that part of the house.
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Post by Not your average framer » Wed 22 May, 2019 9:16 am

Brilliant job! Not hard to see how demanding it was to get that fantastic result and you have every right to be proud of such an outstanding result.

Flags only come my way very infrequently and as you will probably remember, I chicken out of doing one and refered it to yourselves. I'm quite happy doing less demanding flag framing jobs, but some can be a bt scarey.

Reeally impressed with your job. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Post by vintage frames » Wed 22 May, 2019 9:21 am

One to be very proud of.

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Post by StevenG » Thu 23 May, 2019 6:52 pm

I'm a bit late to the party but I must say that is a fantastic piece of work, quite ingenious :D :clap: Brilliant!

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