Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

Post by Jules007 » Thu 13 Jun, 2019 9:41 am

"Colourmount do 3mm and 3.2mm boards and Arqadia do 3.5mm boards"

I've been looking for these thick boards but couldn't find them. Please could you let me have links to them.

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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

Post by Jules007 » Thu 13 Jun, 2019 10:08 am

That's great. Thanks.

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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

Post by Not your average framer » Thu 13 Jun, 2019 10:58 am

Colourmount - https://www.slater-harrison.co.uk/colourmount/

You will notice the following on their list of boards

- Conservation solid core – 1.35mm & 3.20mm

- 3000micron (3mm) available in certain colours


Then in my Arqadia mountboard selector (which does not display any date of publishing, so I don't know if it has changed)

- 3.5 C = Conservation 815mm x 1120mm 32.1" x 44.1" 3500 Thickness microns


From my experience, pricing of boards from one manufacturer to another is not always as consistent as you might expect, sometime a manufacturer which you expect to be more expensive, may for specific boards be a better price than you were expecting, even though most of their board will be the more expensive. So it can be worth checking.

I buy my mountboard from Simons and Wessex. More than half of my stock is Colourmount boards from Simons and the rest consists of Arqadia, Nielsen Bainbridge, Daler and True Vue. I've had some of this later stock, since 2004 and much of it won't need replacing for years. When I first started I bought the stock of Western Arts in Totnes, who were closing down. At that time I had 850 sheets of mountboard in un-opened packets and goodness knows how many loose sheets and part sheets. Some colours to this day have remained unused.

I don't need to order mountboard very regularly, because I'm still working through such a massive stock. When I do order, I try to buy discounted "key range" and "Super value" boards from Simons, because of the low price and everything else from Wessex. I don't buy Arqadia and Daler very much these days, I've got nothing against them, but just how it works out although I consider Arqadia and Daler to be of superb quality.

My favorite mountboard of all time is Arqadia's 401 to 405 alpha cellulose range of boards. These are 1.5mm thick, extremely dense, flat, smooth and are visibly amazing quality. They are not the cheapest, but for what they are, they are very much worth the money. They are essentially museum quality boards without going to the full price of cotton rag boards.

I do quite a bit of museum quality framing using these 401 - 405 boards, particularly for smaller items that will be handed down the generations, they also are particularly useful for object framing where the mountboard is unsupported behind, but need to remain completely flat and rigid in to the future. I buy these in three different colours as five sheet packs which last for ages in between the re-ordering and I can't recommend them enough.
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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

Post by cleaver » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 5:35 pm

Penny dropping moment - completely off topic.......

I was on the scrounge for some mount board a while ago, and someone vey kindly offered me some 'disco' colours. I thought he meant fluorescent 70s colours! Just reading this thread, I see it means discontinued :lol: :Slap: :lol:

Have a great weekend, all :D
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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

Post by prospero » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 12:39 am

That's a word that strikes fear into the heart of every true framer. :shock:

You will in the course of your chosen career have people coming to you with 30-year old frames and want
one to match. (Even 2-year old ones). I had one nor so long ago. The lady said the framer's name and phone
number was on the back, if that was of any help sourcing the frame. It wasn't. The date was also on the back. 1908. :cry:
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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

Post by Not your average framer » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 6:47 am

prospero wrote:I realise that it's a customer spec to have a single, thick board, but if I were faced with the job and had a bit of leeway
I would tend toward a std thick board on top a a tiny reveal of 2-3mm thick board to achieve the depth. I think the little 'quirk'
looks nice and not too fussy. You could do the same by 'cartwheeling' bevelled strips of thick board behind a thinner one.
I've only just noticed this reply and don't know how I've missed it. I completely agree with prosperro about this and It is my opinion that this is one of the most stunning ways of presenting an artwork in combination with a mount. If you've never seen what this looks like, I would encourage you to do a little sample using some scrap mount board, so you can see for yourself. I think it looks best when both thick and thin mounts are the exact same colour. It is also my opinion that it looks particularly stunning with a really classy completely smooth surfaced mountboard.
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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

Post by Justintime » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 7:46 am

Thanks Mark, I don't understand the quote though. Easy if you know what prospero means, I'm sure.

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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

Post by Not your average framer » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 8:33 am

It's quite simple, it's a double mount with double thickness mountboard at the back and a single thickness mount at the front and a step between the two apertures to show a 3mm reveal between the two mounts. I used to do them for a series of greeting cards I had by sidney Hauser, who was an American artist and the series of cards was called "Cats and Caligraphy".

They sold quite well at first in single mounts, then they slowed down quite a bit and after I had started selling them in double mounts, customers started buying them again, but eventually they slowed down again. Later I mounted them in thick and thin mounts and customers started buying them again. Our town is not really a tourist venue any more, so we don't sell stuff like that now, but I think that it illustrates how the right presentation can make something extra special and create more business by doing so.

Over the years, I've tried to do various things that are a bit different, to keep sales going and it's surprising what you learn. When I had my book and print shop, I used to get a local company to photocopy some antique woodcut engraved prints for me to mount, but although they were black and white prints, I had them copied on a colour photocopier with the colour balance adjusted to make the prints look like a dark grey version of sepia and they were printed on to Conquerer oyster wove paper. They looked amazing and they sold like crazy.

Experimenting to find something different and special can work wonders, when you find the right thing and it's often something simple that makes the difference!
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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

Post by Justintime » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 10:31 pm

Wow, I still don't know how you translated that from
"I would tend toward a std thick board on top a a tiny reveal of 2-3mm thick board to achieve the depth" :lol: :clap:

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Re: Bonding 2 sheets of mountboard together.

Post by Not your average framer » Sun 16 Jun, 2019 4:23 pm

You could still achieve the original 4mm thickness, if you wanted to with a 1.5mm board and a 2.5mm board together. It's just another option.
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