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I'm having problems rolling double sided mounting adhesive onto board, I need any help or pointers anyone can give.

The print I need to mount is about 30cm wide and 1 metre 20cm long. I keep getting creases in the mounting film, or if I don't get creases I'm getting bubbles! This is before I've even gotten round to attempting to mount the print onto the adhesive! Argh! :head:

After trying a few things, I've gone back to an old drytac tutorial on youtube, and followed it to the letter, still no dice.

I've used my roller for smaller things in the past, but haven't used it much. So I might be missing something.

I usually use my heat press, and before I got the roller I would do it the old fashioned way with a pre-coated board and brayer.

So frustrating! Any suggestions?
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I'm guessing I know the answer to this one. Which film are you using specifically & who supplied you?
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Steve Goodall wrote: Tue 30 Sep, 2025 12:19 pm I'm guessing I know the answer to this one. Which film are you using specifically & who supplied you?
I'm using a film that I bought from lion.

Incidentally, after I cut some film from the roll, I simply turned it over to position it for trimming to the substrate size, and creases started to appear although I barely touched it!
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Steve Goodall wrote: Tue 30 Sep, 2025 12:19 pm I'm guessing I know the answer to this one. Which film are you using specifically & who supplied you?
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This happened when I turned the sheet over. Fresh off the roll!

I ended up taking a trip to b and q, got a piece of smooth hardboard and used my heat press instead! Worked first time!

So is it the film... Or something I had done? 🤔
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Steve Goodall wrote: Tue 30 Sep, 2025 12:19 pm I'm guessing I know the answer to this one. Which film are you using specifically & who supplied you?
Lion cold mounting film, twin release. 6977
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Yes - I know exactly what the problems "are" (there is more than one issue). Incidentally - you can still use the piece in the picture - it's not damaged - just misbehaving.

What did Lion say when you asked them?
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Steve Goodall wrote: Tue 30 Sep, 2025 12:54 pm Yes - I know exactly what the problems "are" (there is more than one issue). Incidentally - you can still use the piece in the picture - it's not damaged - just misbehaving.

What did Lion say when you asked them?
I've not asked them because I'm not 100% it isn't something I'm doing that's causing the problems.
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I'm guessing temperature or humidity could be a factor, but it wasn't cold...

It's not an old roll, I got it in April.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts too Steve. We were having similar issues the other day, we nearly called you out of retirement! With the manual and my friend's previous experience we managed to pull it together in the end but some of your knowledge on it would help to make sense of it. Ours was also a very long piece.
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If you haven't phoned Lion for a solution, can I ask another question... Is there a batch and roll number on the inside of the roll core - also - what is the manufacturer name on the outer box?
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Thanks Steve,

The batch number is: 060718 and the roll number 818.

There was no branding on the box... it was plain as far as I recall...
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okay - enough of the suspense. The problem you have is moisture in the release liner. Forget anything about "I always do that" or "I've never done that"... just follow these tips and the problem will go away.

Double Sided Mount Film / Twintac / Twin Release Film - call it what you will - we'll just call it DSM. Anyway, as the film has 2 paper liners it has a spring like tension built into the product.

ALWAYS - tighten the roll and tape it as it was when you first opened it after each use.
ALWAYS - store it in the poly bag it came in within the box.
ALWAYS - store it on it's end if possible.

This is all to avoid moisture getting into the paper liners. If you leave it un-taped it will spiral out and moisture will get in. As I said in a previous post this doesn't render the film useless - just trickier to use.

The phenomenon you have been describing is known as "piping" - where expansion in the outer layer of paper has nowhere to go - so it forms tubes or pipes across the film.

The reason people believe the product to be faulty is - when you come to peel off one side - it is always the inner paper, that is tighter, that releases first. This is the root of the problem. Persevere and get the outer paper to peel back. You will then peel off the "faulty" side and the problem has gone.

Additionally if you peel back the inside paper first you are always going against the curve of the film which increases the potential for creasing.

It all sounds a bit like witchcraft - but it will make the issue go away & you can continue to use the roll you have.

Finally - in future try using a proper branded product with a bit of technical support behind it. You only have to fuck up one customers work to pay the price for buying "cheap" unbranded stuff.

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I'll just add that all that Steve has said is correct, but if you're using a hard substrate and a gloss print, the piping can leave subtle ridges in the adhesive that can show through if the gods are in snarling mode.
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...and I will agree with Richard too - as he knows his stuff. But you would need to be very unlucky to prove him right. Richard is explaining that the adhesive may have "puckered" on a microscopic level as the paper pipe pulled away from adhesive layer. The lesson is - prevention is always better than cure.
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Steve Goodall wrote: Tue 14 Oct, 2025 1:37 pm okay - enough of the suspense. The problem you have is moisture in the release liner. Forget anything about "I always do that" or "I've never done that"... just follow these tips and the problem will go away.

Double Sided Mount Film / Twintac / Twin Release Film - call it what you will - we'll just call it DSM. Anyway, as the film has 2 paper liners it has a spring like tension built into the product.

ALWAYS - tighten the roll and tape it as it was when you first opened it after each use.
ALWAYS - store it in the poly bag it came in within the box.
ALWAYS - store it on it's end if possible.

This is all to avoid moisture getting into the paper liners. If you leave it un-taped it will spiral out and moisture will get in. As I said in a previous post this doesn't render the film useless - just trickier to use.

The phenomenon you have been describing is known as "piping" - where expansion in the outer layer of paper has nowhere to go - so it forms tubes or pipes across the film.

The reason people believe the product to be faulty is - when you come to peel off one side - it is always the inner paper, that is tighter, that releases first. This is the root of the problem. Persevere and get the outer paper to peel back. You will then peel off the "faulty" side and the problem has gone.

Additionally if you peel back the inside paper first you are always going against the curve of the film which increases the potential for creasing.

It all sounds a bit like witchcraft - but it will make the issue go away & you can continue to use the roll you have.

Finally - in future try using a proper branded product with a bit of technical support behind it. You only have to fuck up one customers work to pay the price for buying "cheap" unbranded stuff.

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Thanks you for your detailed reply Steve! Very helpful.

I didn't store the roll in a bag, woops. I have been taping it back into position and storing it on end however...

I had wondered if humidity or moisture was playing a role.

It is a very footery form of witchcraft!

I have a customer wanting photos heat sealed with a gloss laminate, My struggles with the cold roller have put me off using it until I can find the time to practice more!! I bought my heat press second hand, but I'll buy some of the good stuff from Wessex rather than using the old laminate that came with my press! Once bitten!!

You and others might be interested in the advice ai gave me last week regarding the problem with the cold roller!! ( I know...but I was getting desperate!)


The temperature you mention (15–20 °C) is fine, so it’s not a heat issue. What you’re seeing looks more like liner distortion from storage tension plus maybe a bit of handling stress when unrolling/cutting.
Here’s what you can do going forward:
1. Try to relax the material before use
Cut off the section you need and lay it flat on a clean cutting mat or board.
Place another smooth board or some heavy clean paper + weights on top for half an hour or so. This should help flatten those ripples before you mount.
2. Change how you cut from the roll
Always support the adhesive on a flat surface when cutting, never let it hang off the bench — that’s when creases form in the liner.
If the adhesive is wide, it helps to have a second person hold the free end while you cut.
3. Feed carefully into the roller
Start by peeling back just 2–3 cm of the liner and sticking that edge down square.
Feed slowly while pulling the liner back evenly — this prevents trapping the pre-existing creases into the mount.
Reduce nip pressure slightly if you’re crushing the adhesive layer — too much pressure exaggerates bubbles.
4. Store future rolls differently
If possible, store adhesive horizontally (lying flat) rather than upright.
Keep them in the original packaging or in a plastic bag to avoid humidity changes.
If upright storage is your only option, rotate the rolls every week or two to stop the liner sagging.
👉 Your roll isn’t “bad” — it’s just developed a bit of liner memory. With careful flattening and feeding, you should still be able to get good results.
Would you like me to give you a step-by-step “best practice” mounting workflow (from cutting the adhesive to rolling it down) that might help eliminate 90% of these issues?
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Richard Photofusion wrote: Tue 14 Oct, 2025 6:46 pm I'll just add that all that Steve has said is correct, but if you're using a hard substrate and a gloss print, the piping can leave subtle ridges in the adhesive that can show through if the gods are in snarling mode.
Ah.... The Gods haven't been favouring me lately... So I can imagine that would happen to me if it possibly could!

I need to find some form of sacrifice to improve my standing with the framing Gods!!
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The trick is to practice with inconsequential pieces.
Practice, withn good materials, under no presssure (from clients) is what is needed.

I can think of one or two past customers I could offer up under proxy for you.
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