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birdman wrote:You should not ignore other organisations like the Chamber of Commerce, Round Table, Masons, Golf Club, etc because that's where you find the movers and shakers who you can meet and educate.
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I take it that the shakers are those who know about the Mason's secret handshakes!
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Moglet wrote:
I think the key phrase for successful group membership/participation is "like-mindedness."
I don’t necessarily agree, if all that attended these meeting agreed or were like minded to a person you would have a very weak meeting………it is only when my idea’s and thinking are challenged do I gain an insight to new ways of doing business and action….

Áine have you got involved with the Limerick enterprise board!!!!! http://www.lcoeb.ie/ I had a quick look the website is not as active as Wicklow however they seem to be quite proactive for business, they also have the women in business network which I know from Wicklow is very useful, when I got involved in Wicklow it took me a few months to figure out how the whole thing worked ………then I started to gain all the benefits they had to offer…

Years ago I had a very very very bad experience with the FATG (no I’m not going to share it) ………..in fact it was one of the things that caused me to abandon framing…..it caused a very sour taste in my mouth and my thinking about framing….

I could sit on the side and snip at them from time to time which would not be very productive, instead I made the decision to rejoin and see if I have anything positive to offer………I’m not sure if I have but I’m willing to have a go….perhaps I can learn a little from other members on the way…..I understand my application is going to the court this week for approval.
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Great info/input here.

Don't think that breakfast one is for me then - although I may do the 2 free introductory ones, just to make sure. I couldn't commit to once a week and could send no-one else - if that's the deal it's not for me.

Plenty of time to find more networking clubs, or ways of networking. We once tried to start a chamber of commerce in our village - well, parish - within it we have a lot of businesses, not just 'shops' - waste of time! As mentioned elsewhere, the shops/businesses in the village centre can't even sort out something as basic as keeping customer parking for ...... customers!

I'm in no great rush either, I'm up for more business courses, which could of course, come from some of these networking clubs. Need a new company name (suggestions welcome :D ) with new business cards - I'll be an art consultant - with no mention of framing .... perhaps.

Also need to get a load of my own photos printed in large formats, on canvas/whatever - and I already have a great source for doing that - Imagine the profit of the art AND the framing being your own! But failing that I'm not exactly short of other sources of art!

The hotel I mentioned - regarding art on walls, dealt with me, (via a photographer, but paid me direct) a photographer, an interior designer and a marketting team - OK they may have needed some of those for other aspects of their re-fit. But imagine how a company, wanting some class/quality on their walls would go about getting it. Probably not going to look for picture framers - probably going to look for interior designers, who have to source work, like framing and photography/artwork - they just have the 'eye' (it says 'ere)

Someone like me or you could save them a packet!
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John why a new business name!!!....why cause any possible confusion…

Just use your existing name with a tag line…

“Existing Name” (sorry cannot recall the name of your business)

Picture Framing | Art Consultant

Address:
Telephone No: xxxxxx Mobile No: xxxxxxx!!!!
Email: xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx

Keep it simple and on message….

Do pay to have real business cards printed and if you have some handouts perhaps it would be worth getting them professionally designed……..they would serve two purposes 1 as handouts and 2 for mail shots to business customers…

Just in case your are wondering about my interest in this thread, it’s because I’m thinking along the same lines as you are right now….a few nice corporate accounts are great…..just don’t build them that they become the main part of your business…..if the go they can leave a very big hole…..I would suggest that they should never represent more than 20 to 25% of your framing business…
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Oh and of course your own name on the business card…
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Invite Round Table/Rotary/Lions to your shop/workshop after closing time and give them a talk and demo.

Won't cost you anything apart from a couple of hours of your time and they will probably take you to the pub afterwards.

When I was President of our local Round Table I had the guys round one evening and over the next few months a fair bit of work drifted in.

OK its not going to change your business but "Every Little Helps"

John.
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Dermot wrote:John why a new business name!!!....why cause any possible confusion…

Just use your existing name with a tag line…

“Existing Name” (sorry cannot recall the name of your business)…
My existing business name sucks "Angmering Framing & Stitches"

We started as 'Angmering Framing' which is OK - but can you say 'Angmering?' Not many make it sound even close when reading it for the first time, or even after a few attempts - it's sort of - forget the 2nd, 3rd & 5th letters ................. 'Am-ring' - but not quite - you sort of throw the 1st 'n' & 'g' in there somehow!

An unusual combination of consonants 'ngm' !! And the last thing I want is the first 3 minutes of any conversation spent on correct pronounciation of my business name/place where I live!

Then we bought a needlework (Etc - with a captial 'E') shop called 'Stitches' and just stuck the two together -the idea being not to lose either of the two established names - stupid - but my life is not worth trying to change it.

So - anyway - the work may come from a shop, in a village, but that's not the image I want to portray to this type of customer - they'll never need to come to me - not that I'm ashamed of anything. Just don't see Nigel Ponsonby-Smythe approving of some place that sells knitting wool, bra extenders and ............... other things!
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Dermot wrote: I don’t necessarily agree, if all that attended these meeting agreed or were like minded to a person you would have a very weak meeting………it is only when my idea’s and thinking are challenged do I gain an insight to new ways of doing business and action….
Depends on how one interprets the term "like-minded", Dermot. (Blimmin web taliking - so hard to convey nuance. :evil: ) Take, for example, the Forum. Overall, we're like minded in that we have a common interest (framing) and many of our opinions are similar. I certainly don't find this to be a weak "cyber-meeting" space, and I am reguarly challenged and find new insights from reading the contributions of other members. I have also learned a tremendous amount here, both on the craft and business sides of the trade.
Dermot wrote: Áine have you got involved with the Limerick enterprise board... they also have the women in business network ...
I don't fall under their jurisdiction, Dermot, and the women in business initiative seems to consist of once a month free seminar at a local hotel. Attended a few, didn't enjoy them very much, and much of the educational content offered wasn't "in your face" enough for me. (I've had the benefit of a fair deal of intensive corporate "soft skills" training and experience over the years, so much of the material covered was, for my background, a case of "T-shirt?? Check!" but I would imagine very beneficial for newer entrants to the business world ).
Dermot wrote:John why a new business name!!!....
Please, please, can I answer that, Sir?

Branding.

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As was commented on above, as in all life, one tends to get out of these ventures what one puts in. They're just not my bag. I'd rather spend my time and money on industry-specific training, investing time in developing and directly marketing my service/product offer, and keep the "social" time to spend with people I actually care about. Seems to get less, and therefore more precious, with every passing year...

And while I remain self-employed, the Four Horsemen couldn't drag me to a room full of suits at 7am! I'd sooner have my spleen removed. With a spoon.
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Parallel posting, John. :)
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John…..Angmering Framing without the “Stitches” …..is fine in fact I like it……….I think it has a very interesting ring to it….perhaps people wont pronounce it properly but I bet they will remember it for the business that does super picture framing…..

To solve the Stitches have two separate business names Angmering Framing and Angmering Stitches do the name change that way rather than ditching the whole thing…..for all intent and purpose they are quite separate, they just share the same building and management…

Sorry, I disagree again Áine regards branding for small business it’s not a runner no small business in their wildest dreams have the capacity or funding to build brand identity around their name….………..what a small business needs to do is build a reputation around the service/product they supply ……….the name simply serves as a recognition label ………..that has been one of the hard and unpalatable lessons that I have learned over the last number of years

I’m also sorry that you feel that way about the enterprise board….I have meet quite a few hundred people from around the country who have gained quite a bit from been involved…..

Oh BTW who ever told you, you did fall under their jurisdiction is simply wrong the enterprise boards are there to help ALL small businesses regardless of what category they fall into….
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Dermot wrote:John…..Angmering Framing without the “Stitches” …..is fine in fact I like it……….I think it has a very interesting ring to it….perhaps people wont pronounce it properly but I bet they will remember it for the business that does super picture framing…..
Well, 'they' already do - it's like Mrs Smith and Mrs Stojanowich - which name am I most likely to put a face to?

(Mrs Stojanowich is hot BTW!)

But I'm not interested in 'already' - 'already' is well established and (touch wood & salute a magpie) were it not then i'd be looking for ways TO establish it and not go poncing around in a suit trying to take things to another level. I don't really need to do this at all, I just know it's out there and it's bugging me - plus of course, come the day I want to sell up ...... ?
Dermot wrote:To solve the Stitches have two separate business names Angmering Framing and Angmering Stitches do the name change that way rather than ditching the whole thing…..for all intent and purpose they are quite separate, they just share the same building and management…….
No intention of ditching our existing name for our existing shop - ('Angmering Stitches' is not an option BTW - Eeeeeew!!!) - I may not like it, but it says, as you do, that there are two quite separate halves to the place - I've not much clue what goes on in the non-framing half. But this venture will be a different thing again, and needs a different name - 'Art' needs to be in there somewhere - I don't want Nige (I'm sure he'll let me call him that after a few G&Ts) thinking of framing - don't want him thinking of me in an apron smelling of turps with a band aid on every other finger.
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Dermot wrote:Sorry, I disagree again Áine regards branding for small business it’s not a runner no small business in their wildest dreams have the capacity or funding to build brand identity around their name…
By "branding" I was using the term as a corporate shorthand to convey the meaning of creating a memorable identity that people can associate with your business: I was not using it in the context of global marketing of the likes of Coca Cola. One's business name is part of one's own "brand." Branding should communicate some sense of one's services and the quality of the offer.

Many small businesses do have brand recognition at some levels (Ela Maria's - a designer boutique a few doors away from me -is a name known countrywide). In a small way, many people have awareness of my brand, even if they haven't had anything framed by me (yet!). My Cat and Moon logo is now very well recognised around the town. It can grow from that. I've even had enquiries via the web about Celtic cards when people who purchased before at craft fairs spotted my Saoirse on the website. No mention of cards on the site, but they DID recognise the brand.
……..what a small business needs to do is build a reputation around the service/product they supply ……….the name simply serves as a recognition label ...
The name is very important. Your name is the key to people finding you when they go looking for your product or service. It needs to be memorable. And in this day and age, it needs to be "webbable."
I’m also sorry that you feel that way about the enterprise board….I have meet quite a few hundred people from around the country who have gained quite a bit from been involved…..

Oh BTW who ever told you, you did fall under their jurisdiction is simply wrong the enterprise boards are there to help ALL small businesses regardless of what category they fall into….
Actually Dermot, I fall geographically under the auspices of the West Limerick Enterprise Board. I did approach them, and one of the suits came to the studio for a background briefing to see what I was about. In addition to the framing, I have a fully developed and successfully test-marketed range of Celtic Craft products that I plan some day to go into active production with (selling via web). With them I gained jury-approved membership of the Craft Coucil of Ireland, and had interest from Kilkenny Design (alas, when I had no bandwidth to manufacture them). The range qualifies for Guaranteed Irish accreditation, too. At the time, there were (allegedly) pushes to support:

1. Manufacturing businesses. (Check.)

2. Heritage/Language Promoting Businesses. (Check.)

3. Businesses with potential for exports. (Check. Most of the sales would have been abroad, via the web.)

4. Women in business. (Check.)

5. Must not clash with an existing manufacturing business of the same type in the area. (Mostly Check.)

Ticked all the boxes. Their response? "Oh there's a business in the town already that makes cards, so your business does not qualify for assistance."

The "business down the road prints prissy, gooey-sweet stock illustrations, and drizzles text greetings haphazardly across the former. I design decals, triple float mount them onto heavyweight card stock. I create decorated candles (using decals), and offer mounted/framed prints of my work. Their appeal is local, mine is international.

Yep. Great help. The "Who You Know" principle is alive and well down here, along with its first cousin: Rural (in)ustice.
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I agree totally that the name of a small business is for recognition and identity purpose……..with respect to using it for any marketing purpose in a small business the chances of any funding put into it for branding showing a return are very close to zero if not zero…….however like all things in business there will be a few exceptions on occasions ……..I’m talking here about small business who need to allocate very limited funds and resources in to a marketing program, allocation of funds and resources to branding are a long way down the list of things that need doing in a small business…

In Limerick there are only two enterprise boards County Limerick and The City of Limerick, I don’t know what the West Limerick Enterprise Board is, how long ago is it since you interacted with them!!!!, we could possible referring to different agencies that operate in Ireland

The county and city enterprise boards are there to help all small businesses, they may not give grants to all classes of businesses for jobs or capital investment, however they will provide other supports like training, some of which is the best obtainable in the country….

My support has been and is for my distribution business a simple import and sales (sales in Ireland) operation…..I will not get any monitory grant aid for jobs or the likes but I can partake in all the training they provide which is provided for a very nominal sum of money…where I’m located Co. Wicklow is a rural area….

Have a look at the Owner Manager information for Wicklow to get some idea of the sort of businesses that are supported http://www.wicklowceb.ie/index/16/65/0/ ... s_Details/ the crosses section is from small local catering businesses to software business with export potential…

Like Rolf one of the single best things I have ever done for my business was to get involved with the local enterprise board (Wicklow county) it has rewarded me way beyond what I have put into it…….
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Well, anyway - I came up with the name "Art Transplant" But Google tells me I wasn't the first to!

Domain name gone but I don't see a business like what I have in mind with that name.
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Semi abbreviated it's TArt and FArt Consultants :shock:
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I quite like 'Another Storey' too! You know - "taking art and framing to a higher level!" :Slap:
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