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order of under pinning

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just had a thought from topbrands post about underpinners . i always underpin long/short (one side) then underpin long/short (tother side) then underpin the two L shapes together - is this what you guys do ? or do you just work your way round ie long - short - long - short ! just interested to know . is there anyadvantage doing it either way ?
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That's exactly how I was told how to do it by Mark Griffiths who used to work for Cassese, I always keep the Longest length on the Left, short on the right. : )

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I sometimes do short - short or long - long. Depends if I've been drinking.
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I work my way round on small frames, and make 2 'L's for larger frames (Long in the left hand). I've been doing it that way for so long, I can't remember why
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I do 2L's, long left every frame the same way!
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Two 'L's with the long side always on the right and with good reason - my underpinner is sunk in to a corner of a large rectangular bench, so long on the right when pinning the 'L's means that the frame ends up running along the long side of the bench and not the short side, so, even with very large frames, nothing ends up unsupported or getting in the way by hanging over the end of the bench.
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Roboframer wrote:Two 'L's with the long side always on the right and with good reason - my underpinner is sunk in to a corner of a large rectangular bench,
Well, that settles it, I'm not coming to help you join frames, John! I just can't change a 25 year habit! :wink: :wink:
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Most mouldings I do two Ls. Long to the right (just to be contrary). With multiple wedge positions I go all round with the outer wedges and then go round again working toward the inside.
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I'am a long on the right man.

Unless doing small frames.

My cassese is set into a 4x4 bench with the corner cut off to take the trangle of the underpinner base plate, everything nice and flush so my frames are supported and I can slide the 2 L shapes with ease and with out lifting them.

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I also go long on the right - after I was taught I couldn't remember what I had been told was the standard, so I set my own.
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i also go on the right - as i'm banned for 3 days on the grumble i won't qualify that statement.

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With wood mouldings I do L’s the same as you lot, but with Minerva / polymer I’ve got my own method / workflow.
Firstly I’ve a piece of plate glass on which I work, the superglue doesn’t stick so well on it and it’s easy to clean off, use an old mount-cutter blade.
I start at any corner and work my way around, when I get to last corner I do not glue it at this stage, but set aside frame for the glue to cure.
After cutting glass and backing I come back to the frame, I now under-pin the three glued corners, this process has made the frame strong enough for the last and final joint to be glued.
Firstly I tape down one of the arms down on to the glass plate with a bit of masking tape, I also place a piece of tape on the top of the moulding to save accidental spots of glue spoiling the job.
It’s now easy and safe to lift the other arm up and apply glue, lower said arm to glass leaving small gap between mitre, remove protective tape from top of moulding, now push firmly together until cured, remove securing tape and underpin last corner.
It’s just my way; guess you all have your own methods with polymer.
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Jim,
Your workflow for joining plastic sounds good!
I make two L's, then join the third corner, but then wait a few minutes before joining joint four. Leave it about 10-15 mins before vee nailing all the joints.

When joining plastic mouldings, I use a piece of silicone release paper from sticky foamboard under the corner so the superglue won't stick to the bench. Never tried glass!


:head: You people who do long on the right should be blown up. It's wrong, wrong, wrong! Now get your act's together and start doing it right. Never mind excuses like 'the wall is in the way'. Make a hole in it so you can become 'normal' framers! :wink: :wink:

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Long in the Left, Rong in the Right
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Maybe it's an Antipodean thing, like the way the water supposedly drains from the sink differently in the southern hemisphere. :)
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I was taught to always have the long on the left but, being of a rebellious nature, I now have long on the right.

Makes me feel more like an individual - though I see I'm not alone.
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Nigel Nobody wrote: I use a piece of silicone release paper from sticky foamboard under the corner so the superglue won't stick to the bench. Never tried glass!


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Started using the plate glass because my bench has a bit of a twist in it, the glass is flat and true doesn't flex.

The glue probably sticks more to glass than release paper, but once the glue has taken hold in the mitre a steady twist sideways of the L will free off any adhesion.
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Gesso&Bole wrote:Long in the Left, Rong in the Right
I like the way you think, Jim......you are a real and truly normal framer...not like these other strange people who don't know what the heck they are doing! :wink: :wink:

John,
You are right, the water goes down the plughole the opposite way. You'll have to come down and check it out. It will be worth the airfare just to see it! :wink: :wink:
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If you live right on the equator does the water stay in the sink when you take the plug out?
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Or does it reverse itself out of the hole and come right back at you?
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