Dry mount film question

[Not your average framer]

I'm revisiting my design engineer / industrial design roots and preparing to produce some new and interesting finishes for frames, slips, mounts and lining inside shadow box frames using high tech finishes such as carbon fibre and other aerospace type materials.

As a result I am wondering if anyone has any experience of drymounting flexible "plastiser free" high density PVC mounting substates to Obeche. Is this a reliable bonding method for these materials?

I am also hoping to do some other designer and art deco finishes using comercial designer materials .

Including the high tech materials as well as the desgner materials, I will be needing to be able to bond to PVC, PVA based synthetic latex and resin bonded paper mounting surfaces. If this works as well as I am hoping, this could transform the possibilities when framing motorsport, aerospace and designer / fashion items.

At the moment timescales are limited due to the costs of buying materials which have to be purchased in commercial quantities, so this is a long term project. Please don't expect any pictures immediately, but if it all comes together there will be pictures when I have something to show.

[stcstc]

carbon fibre look is easy

buy carbon fibre look vynal from a sign suppliers and roll it onto a board!!

[Not your average framer]

Thanks Stephen,

I don't want to use self adhesive vinyl as all self adhesives have limitations, particularly concerning materials compatiblity and degree of perminance. Also the stuff I'm using is very much more durable than vinyl, hence the the dry mount idea.

Also I think I would be asking for trouble using anything with a self adhesive bonding method as a frame finish, but thanks for the suggestion.

[stcstc]

sorry didnt mean for frame finish. ment for inside the boxes as you mentioned


and why would it have less perminance that dry mounting, your still sticking something to something?

chances are the glue on the film and the glue on sav are the same thing even

[newie31]

I have some friends who are airbrush artists, they did some motorsport pictures onto sheets of carbon fibre and asked me to mount them in a 'high tec' way. They didn't want a traditional type frame and said they wanted it floated over perspex, however I tried several ways of using carbon fibre as a project afterwards, the only half satisfactory way I found was using self adhesive vinyl and it produced mediocre results so I binned the idea.

If you do find a way I would be very interested to see some photos.

Below is a couple of photos of the end result, the mounted pictures were taken to Maclaren for a presentation and were very well received

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[Graysalchemy]

Check out these for use of Carbon Fibre,nice sculptures but also nice prices some were £50k+

Sorry couldn't answer your question.

[Not your average framer]

sorry didnt mean for frame finish. ment for inside the boxes as you mentioned

O.K., I understand now! The problem is that, if I get this stuff I want to use of the outside of frames as well, so I wont want to stock anything different for other uses.

BTW, this stuff will take the knocks a lot better than vinyl, it's seriously heavy duty, durable stuff.

I want to go ahead and buy some, but I'm hoping to sort out the bonding issues before I commit myself to quite a bit of expenditure. It's rather a large minimum order value, so I don't want to order and find that I got it wrong.

[Not your average framer]

I've just Googled carbon fibre vinyl and I'm amazed at the price people are paying for the stuff.

If they are paying a similar price to what I can get the durable high tech stuff in bulk for, then the mark up is about 15,000 percent. Not a bad mark-up!

[stcstc]

i think you might be suprised, how touch some of this stuff is

the stuff i am talking about is for wrapping cars!!!,

and if its anythign like my car it gets hammered, he he

[Not your average framer]

i think you might be suprised, how touch some of this stuff is

So I am discovering! It's interesting stuff, one of my customers is interested in selling some of this stuff on the internet. This was before I realised that it was already being offered on the internet for wrapping cars.

The stuff I'm looking at is not self adhesive, but even after laminating it with D/S self adhesive film, there's enormous potential for profit in this stuff.

[Steve N]

A vacuum bag would be good to get the stuff bonded to the moulding, they are good for irregular shapes, not sure what adhesive to use, but with your background Mark, you would know.

Steve