Glass Disposal

[Jonny2morsos]

Those ever resourceful folk at Lion obviously heard about that:
http://www.lionpic.co.uk/product-search ... earch=4600

[A3DFramer]

Ah this is the thing I had in mind;
http://www.fireplacestoreonline.com/pro ... fAodaxIAcQ

little bit of difference in the prices, but Lion's construction in Plastic will probably wear longer, I remember our coal hods wore out in time from the passage of coal in and out.

[Jonny2morsos]

Your option is however about a tenth of the price!

[prospero]

According to my local powers-that-be, you can't put picture glass in a bottle bank.

[retropic]

What reason do they give for not allowing you to put the glass in a bottle bank? Not sufficiently bottle shaped?

[A3DFramer]

The original description of this method of disposal goes back probably 20 years, probably before the anti-common sense brigade got up to speed. The coal hod is still a handy receptacle with two handles, suitable for a straight backed lift and tilting. I am suspicious of Lions, further treatment, because broken down glass may result in a heavy box of waste. Tipping the waste into a cylindrical drum, with a clip on lid would give a more mobile option, though all risk assessments should be done in the context of actual situations.

[prospero]

What reason do they give for not allowing you to put the glass in a bottle bank? Not sufficiently bottle shaped?

As I remember, they weren't sure so probably opted for the default "don't". CYA stance.

Although I have got the same answer from other people and the general consensus seems to be it is not the right type of glass.

(Like you get wrong sorts of snow nowadays.)

[retropic]

Sounds like a typically bureaucratic response: "we don't know the answer, so we'll make a decision based on what we'd like the answer to be". The sort of lazy policy making akin to the Treasury blaming a double dip recession on it raining in Skegness on a Tuesday morning in June (ok, maybe I'm misquoting Boy George slightly).

At least the argument that it's the wrong type of glass is transparent (unless it's non reflective type of course )

On reflection, writing as a former Whitehall Bernard (unfortunately far too junior to be a Sir Humphrey) for far too many long-lunched, index linked pensioned, flexi-timed years (none of which I fully appreciated at the time), perhaps people in stonehouses shouldn't throw glass.

We dispose of loads of MDF/Dibond/perspex offcuts, all of which end up in the bin and off to landfill (or gets dumped on a Sussex beach), which seems like a terrible waste. I'd have thought a quick win for any government genuine about recycling would be to insist that manufacturers of such products provide recycling for offcuts (or at least information about where to go for it).

[misterdiy]

Some years ago I remember sitting in the car outside Tesco while my wife was doing the shopping and watching the recycling lorry come in for the glass. There were three of these dome shaped containers - a bit like a dalek - all marked with different colours of glass. Brown, Green and Clear.

I watched the lorry driver winch up the containers and empty them into his lorry one after the other. No segregation - just tipped in one big heap. Ever since then I have not bothered what glass goes where - including picture glass. If you cut it in small enough strips and do it at night there seems little problem. Now there is far too much, so I am going to buy a trailer and load it up with glass before a trip to Little Hampton beach.

It seems that the Local Councils seem to want to bankrupt small businesses by making them pay to have all of the waste taken away (by them) at exorbitant rates, but allowing householders to do as they please.

Acrylic offcuts were always a problem but they seem to recycle in bottle banks quite nicely

[retropic]

I had the dubious honour of working for the ludicrous and most bureaucratic of Whitehall departments - the Department for Communities and Local Government. If you look at what they do and then watch Yes Minister you'd think that brainstorming for new ideas involved sitting down with a cup of tea, a biro and a DVD of that series and jotting down notes. As a result of some of the barmy, wasteful and damaging policies I saw whilst there I've developed a pathological hatred of local government (and of Eric Pickles).

It's not actually fair to blame Local Authorities for trying to bankrupt small businesses as it's central government that sets the business rates, not the local authority. The money is collected by the local authority then pooled and redistributed by some ridiculously complicated formula. The only people who seem to agree that this is a fair and just system is the Finance Division within DCLG. LAs carp about it, businesses carp about it and politicians carp about it. Mercifully that's as much as I can remember now.

In the words of Sir Humphrey: "The Public doesn't know anything about wasting government money, we're the experts".

[strokebloke]

Although I have got the same answer from other people and the general consensus seems to be it is not the right type of glass

Bottle glass fractures and fragment in a different manner to 'pane'/'float' glass.
Bottle glass is generally recycled (following various processes) for and to the abrasives industry (glass-paper ) because when broken and crushed, it fragments into a globular form, whereas pane/float glass fragments into a shard (long thin triangle) form.
This tendency, the result of the manufacturing processes of each, applies no matter how fine the extent of the crushing.

However, it has been reported that something in excess of 82% of all recycled materials, including glass, is just dumped in landfills due to the high recycling costs or the levels of impurities in each recycled substance (such as float glass in bottle banks )

I spoke to a framer recently who's also a keen photographer.
He uses the cardboard tubes that his large photos arrive from the printers in.
Reckons the end of the tube fits just dandy in the hole in the bottle bank.
And he doesn't need to dispose of the tube as trade waste either. He takes it home and refills it with glass.

[Jonny2morsos]

so I am going to buy a trailer and load it up with glass before a trip to Little Hampton beach.

Would that be a naturist's beach on a cold day?

[prospero]

One SirHumphreyisnm that sticks in my mind goes something like: "The Treasury doesn't work out how much money the country needs and then tries to raise that amount. It pitches for as much as it can get and then decides how to spend it. If it doesn't get rid of it all, it has no justification for demanding the same amount the next year".

Same principle applies to local authorities. Why do you think there are a lot of roadworks going on in March? To use up any spare cash before the end of the financial year.

[Tudor Rose]

They used to use cardboard tubes for glass offcuts at a framers near here but they stopped after one member of staff impaled themselves on a long shard of glass that hadn't seated down into the tube properly and had been left by someone else. The blood fountain when he removed his arm from the glass was still being found from where it had sprayed onto the ceiling, walls, large amounts of stock and the floor for many weeks afterwards.

[Jonny2morsos]

He would have been better to leave his arm where it was and break off the piece of glass above the entry wound or remove his arm with the glass in situ. Significant blood loss can result from a severed artery. The injured person rarely thinks of that in the heat of the moment though.

In my previous life we once x-rayed a guy with a huge knife in his skull but no attempt was made to remove it until further tests established it had not gone through any arterial vessel. Same applied with gunshot wounds but we are unlikely to see many of those in our line of business

[strokebloke]

To use up any spare cash before the end of the financial year.

That's exactly the principle that all of the FE/HE & university colleges work to. Small world, isn't it ??

[retropic]

Suppose everyone went around saving money irresponsibly all over the place
- Sir Humphrey Appleton

[JamesC]

Brilliant! so much ground covered here - the humble disposal of picture glass is a a perfect example and analogy for all the country's ills and the human condition.

Love the matter of fact response to the severed artery and really does show absolutely any problem can be solved on the forum.

We need to remember waste collection is on top of business rates - it is in North Yorkshire anyway.

My glass goes in our big wheelie bin from a private company (they unlike the council allowed me to combine a big bin (for the big size waste you get in framing) with a less regular collection (we started on 4 weeks now down to 2). Saved me about 75%. This company send 0% to landfill so the glass must be recycled. Free cardboard recycling elsewhere is next to one of our customers 7 miles away so when they order, I fill the van up and leave it there. It's free as long as you bale it yourself, as a jcb whistles narrowly past you and the sign that says "authorised personnel only to use this baler". They have now at least marked off a parking area after the jcb reversed without looking and smashed someone else's van. A bit of excitement for me and I thrive on danger. At least I won't sue myself if I get run over but I wouldn't ask staff to do it. Otherwise cardboard collection would probably cost me over £500 per year.

Selling the glass to a next door neighbour for whisky is my favourite method mentioned but the other lesson in this thread is never tell the authorities anything they won't be able to work out (so that means just about all of it).

[IFGL]

All my waste goes in to a big bin wich we fill to brimming every week, it is the biggest bin the company provides, the cost is around £1000 per year and rising but I see this as a small cost for less hassles.

[gangy]

We have a good little business selling sticking plasters , our Van is parked on Littlehampton Beach and has "Shards" painted on the sides.