bench top mitre guillotine

[Gillthepainter]

Good morning.
I'm a self framing artist.
I cut my mouldings with a rotary saw. (And pin with a masterpush thingy).

Obviously the rotary saw is hard work. Always has been.

I cannot entertain a morso - I'm up 4 flights of stairs and the money is too much for me.

Is there a desk top guillotine machine that will slice mouldings cleanly. Like the mitre trimmer, but that will perform the cut for me.

I'm creating unpleasant sawdust mess. Cough cough.

At the moment, I'm thinking of still cutting with the saw, reluctantly. But buying this trimmer: http://www.diyframing.com/store_viewCat ... egoryID=12

Is there another approach please?

[David McCormack]

Morning,

I think you've worked out that the mitre trimmer can only trim an already cut edge, but it does trim very well including hard woods. The trick is to just shave the edge on hard wood. I don't know of any bench top guillotines other than this which is only really suitable for small mouldings like fillets etc.

A hand mitre saw would make less dust than a rotary saw but you would still need a trimmer.

You can get very good second hand foot operated morsos and it wouldn't be out of the question to get it up several flights of stairs. If you could get a morso it would be a great investment and you wouldn't look back... no sawdust! Depending on the width of the stairs, a morso strapped to a heavy duty sack truck could be pulled up a flight of stairs with two strong folks..... I think?

[David McCormack]

http://theframersforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... 784#p42944

[Graysalchemy]

I would go with a morso they are a very good investment and are made for a professional finish. The small trimmers are OK and will be more accurate than any hobby saw or singled bladed diy saw, but I don't think you will be able to cut larger profiles easily.

Four flights of stairs is a pain I just moved my old morso up one flight with help and that was bad enough. Your other alternative is to get your rims cut by a professional framer. Yes it will cost you more but you will probably get a superior finish due to the equipment used. Cutting frames is only half equation to making a frame pinning it is equally important and if you don't have a decent underpinner no matter how good your cuts are you will struggle to get a decent joint.

[Gillthepainter]

Hello to you, David.
I'm pleased to hear you like the trimmer. It won't be such a bad option if I go for it then.

Especially as I'm working with ash a bit, and that's a d'vil to cut accurately... lots of resistance.
Pine and obeche is a doddle admittedly. I don't have problems there save the dirt.

I really wish the job in your link did mouldings.

I'd love a morso in any form, but have no garage at home.
And have helped a framer put one in a truck without a tailgate before using my porter and it was dangerous quite frankly .... think of it slipping and adiosing those toes!

[Gillthepainter]

Just looked at the link, David.
You're all big strong people. Mind you, I'm no softie.
The flooring would take the weight, my studio is in a converted hospital operating theatre.

Morning Graysalchemy.
Chop service is a great option. I've also bought frames online and not had a dud yet.

To be honest, I have got access to a morso. My old art teacher has one and there is an open invite for me to use it.
Probably I should do that.

And be looking at proper nail underpinner instead.

[David McCormack]

The trimmer will slice ash and oak just fine... pic of trimmed ash attached... but a slow job if you're doing a lot of framing.

But the morso is the way to go in the long run. And sound advice from Graysalchemy about a good quality underpinner to compliment the morso.

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[Gillthepainter]

Yip.
I always get excellent advice here.
Thank you to both of you.

My framing method at the moment is a very slow job, you are absolutely right.

[prospero]

Think seriously about the 'proper' Morso. You only have to lug it up the stairs once. When I got mine it was still in the packing case and that went upstairs on a running barrow.
Take the blades out and lock down the pedal an two fit lads should have no problem.

The drawback with trimmers is getting two opposing rails identical lengths.

[Ricky]

This Is What You Need

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitre-Guillot ... 4ae04895d3

[Gillthepainter]

Perfect isn't it.

There's this one too. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281505170159? ... EBIDX%3AIT
I couldn't see the blades, but the seller says they are there.

[johnwphotography]

The Luna in the ebay ad is a badged Orteguil, basic model ORC 55. Mount it with a EZY measuring table from Lion and you will have a good basic set up. If you plan more than a dozen frames a week a foot operated unit would be much better, particularly for hard timbers.

[Gillthepainter]

Exactly what I need Ricky.
Missed it by one bid. I didn't have internet at the time of ending, and got outbid by a fiver (rubbish hotel).
I should have put in auto bids but didn't think about it.

Never mind.

John.
Thank you for that make and model info.
It looks as though it only takes 5cm frames. Good to know, as I don't think that spec is wide enough.

I shall keep on hunting. There is obviously one out there.

[IFGL]

I am not seeing how the cutting head moves backwards to alow you to nibble at the wood on these hand operated machines, although I have never seen one in the flesh.

[Graysalchemy]

I borowed an ortgil many years ago when i started out and yes IIRC they do move.

Gill you should try using snipping software I use Gixen works well for me I very rarely get outbid on things and more to the point it tends to keep bidding wars at bay asd you don't place bids till the dying seconds of the auction.

[Gillthepainter]

ooooo, new to me about the software.
Have just loaded it up and am practising a run at a new dvd set of True Detectives that my husband wants.

& There is another piece of mitre kit coming up the ranks some time later I can try it on.

Thanks for that.

[prospero]

I've often wondered about sniping software. What happens if other bidders do the same? Snipe Wars?

[Graysalchemy]

Well you set how much you want to pay and in the dying seconds the software will rapidly sens off bids and counters. In general it is who ever has the highest maximum bid the will win but speed of server etc can have an effect. The advantage is that because you are not registering a bid until the last minute then bidding I find is kept lower unless 2 idiots are bidding during the duration of the auction. I am suprised ebay haven't banned them they are banned on other auction sites ie bidspotter.

[Gillthepainter]

Listen, thank you so much for your advice.
I have bought a "proper" guillotine. The seller assures me that 2 strong people can carry it.

Spare blades.

To be collected Monday. I cannot wait, but don't fancy the 8hr round trip. You have to put yourself out though.
It's one of those machines which has iron legs, rather than the solid cast iron full skirt. So I'm thinking it is more manageable as far as getting it up those flights of stairs of mine.

Not heavy usage, I will make approx 1-2 frames a week. But I just wanted one.
Early Christmas present.