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Moglet · Post by **Moglet** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 12:00 am

Roboframer wrote:Those that have gone out of their way to ensure that what is out of sight is not out of mind won't be letting poorly presented things go out.

Very well put, John!

fineedge · Post by **fineedge** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 6:05 pm

I'm a sports fan and as such have to yank an Ozzie chain every now and then!

Moglet · Post by **Moglet** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 6:05 pm

Rude not to, Alan!

osgood · Post by **osgood** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 8:19 pm

fineedge wrote:The paying public see the exact same things as me and who will be prepared to pay good money for a job that looks the pits irrespective of archival quality.

Alan,
Obviously consumers are different in SA to Aus! Down here most customers can't tell the difference between a perfectly executed framing job and the back of a bus! I had a lady in the shop last week who brought in the most disgusting piece of work I have seen in a long time and she thought it was 'OK', because it was 'cheaper' than what I would have done.
I was never advocating that a choice should be made between quality of workmanship and preservation framing, when that is called for! Just that a lot of the help given to new framers is focussed on 'how to' make frames, cut mats, etc. As I said, correct materials and techniques are more important for the longevity of the art in the frame.

fineedge wrote:As honest artisan I will use the best materials possible to protect the customer's property but they are not going to protect my pocket if the work is crappy

I don't recall ever saying that you or anyone else should do crappy work. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that!

fineedge wrote:It just needs to be the right stuff if someone feels the need for it.

Your first statement here has hit the proverbial nail on the head. It's of no value doing a course if the information in the course is bad. Just because someone has been in this industry for a long time doesn't necessarily mean that they have the right information to be shared, especially with new framers.

"If someone feels the need for it" is also true and I have felt the need to do several hundred classes at trade shows over the past 23 years and only recently sat in on more than 20 classes and seminars and picked up some very valuable information and learned some new techniques that will be very useful.

I welcome you to jerk my chain anytime you wish. I am partial to a bit of chain jerking myself, but I didn't actually recognise which part of your response was the jerking bit. You might have to make it a bit more obvious next time, please.

silvercleave · Post by **silvercleave** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 9:00 pm

Have been reading the site over the last few days, starting to frame in SE Cornwall, am interested in especially deep frames to mount articles but unable to find details of making this type of frame.
Anyone out there to help??

Any suggestions for a new boy would be most welcome

Ian

fineedge · Post by **fineedge** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 10:05 pm

Howzit Ormond.

Having read your piece on the essentials of doing a course and relating it to my own situation, I just felt that one gets people doing a course to start up but the quality of their work never reflects that fact. I have never done one but have learnt masses by self-instruction ie never just doing a job but first ensuring that I do it right. Maybe I did read you incorrectly in the statement that it's OK to have gaping mitres. overruns and bad design. What I meant in response is that the visible end product is important. I know full well that what John said is of utmost importance from our point of view but most run of the mill clients with average stuff to frame would be concerned more with what they can see than what they don't see. At the end of the day anybody who has gone to the effort to find this forum and taken the time to read the posts ie all of us, have the same list of do's and don'ts - it is just the pecking order that differs. The rest is just banter mate!

ps judging from what is written on the forum, it seems as though clients the world over are exactly the same.

Roboframer · Post by **Roboframer** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 10:09 pm

fineedge wrote: it seems as though clients the world over are exactly the same.

Clients eh?

Wish I had clients - then I could be a consultant - but I don't and I'm just a shopkeeper - with customers.

(sigh)

Roboframer · Post by **Roboframer** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 10:13 pm

silvercleave wrote:Have been reading the site over the last few days, starting to frame in SE Cornwall, am interested in especially deep frames to mount articles but unable to find details of making this type of frame.
Anyone out there to help??
Any suggestions for a new boy would be most welcome

Ian

Hi Ian and welcome - you'll get more luck if you start a new topic in 'Hints & Tips'

But anyway - two basic options - find a moulding with a rebate deep enough to do the job in 'one hit' - or extend a moulding that is not deep enough to do the job with a box (I call the latter method the 'cuckoo clock effect

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Moglet · Post by **Moglet** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 10:43 pm

Welcome, Ian!

As John rightly says, you will probably get broader and quicker pointers by posting a new topic (although I'd personally stick it under "Sales/Wants" - sorry John!

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However, for a kick-off, it might be worth checking out D&J Simons; they have a very broad range, including some extra-deep rebate raw profiles.

Happy hunting, and enjoy the Forum!

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