What baldes to buy?

22rabbits · Post by **22rabbits** » Thu 10 Dec, 2015 6:34 pm

So i need new blades for my Morso. My current ones even freshly sharpened cause the slightest frey/flaking/chipping of the side cut and even times noticed a arch in the side cut

The Framers corner own brand are 150 and the Morso branded blades are 190. Are Morso better (most likely yes) and are they 40 pound better? Also any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Post by **prospero** » Thu 10 Dec, 2015 6:54 pm

I think you need a different moulding.

Seriously though some mouldings will chip on a guillotine whatever blades you use. It's the brittle coating. They are more cooperative with a (good) saw.
One thing you might try is to place a piece of scrap MDF or hardboard on the fences to hold the moulding away a little. This gives a bit more support to the back. It may or may not make a difference. You might have to allow for it when setting the measuring stops.....

22rabbits · Post by **22rabbits** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 7:49 am

Ye i had thought that might make a difference. i was going to use mount board. Still think the blades need changing too, as they might be helping the chipping

Graysalchemy · Post by **Graysalchemy** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 9:03 am

Why do you think the blades need changing? As long as they are sharpened properly each time then they should be as good as new each time you put on a sharp set unless they have been badly sharpened. I had a set that got down to the braze line and were still fine ... until the braze gave way and they went ping.

I think it is more likely to do with the moulding, but check that the blades are fitted correctly and lining up. I have had blades that have been sharpened badly that had different amounts of grind on them and they had worn differently which caused problems on the cut.

22rabbits · Post by **22rabbits** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 9:27 am

Graysalchemy wrote:Why do you think the blades need changing? As long as they are sharpened properly each time then they should be as good as new each time you put on a sharp set unless they have been badly sharpened. I had a set that got down to the braze line and were still fine ... until the braze gave way and they went ping.

I think it is more likely to do with the moulding, but check that the blades are fitted correctly and lining up. I have had blades that have been sharpened badly that had different amounts of grind on them and they had worn differently which caused problems on the cut.

thats the problem, i got the morso secondhand so even though i got the blades sharpened by a framig company (act as a middleman) I dont know how they were done before me

Graysalchemy · Post by **Graysalchemy** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 10:00 am

Do they cut fine on other mouldings?

As long as they are hollow ground now I would say they would be fine. That definitely looks like the moulding to me.

22rabbits · Post by **22rabbits** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 10:20 am

Graysalchemy wrote:Do they cut fine on other mouldings?

As long as they are hollow ground now I would say they would be fine. That definitely looks like the moulding to me.

Ye they cut fine on others, I did notice on cheap mouldings they will pull the bottom of the cut so they become lose and i notice when framing the picture.
(the one pictured isn't cheap

)

I tried colouring the chip on the black rim. The red one isn't too bad

StevenG · Post by **StevenG** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 1:31 pm

This really is one of those things (just another thing to dampen my mood

). I have had similar issues & I've usually blamed the blades - until I take another length of the same moulding and it cuts/joins fine. Then.... just in case the blades are at fault I change them and lo & behold ... well, actually it's either better or it's no different (well I suppose there couldn't really be a 3rd option)

Hmmmm - sorry I think this might be the most pointless/no help/drivelsome forum post ever created. I'll get my coat

Graysalchemy · Post by **Graysalchemy** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 1:57 pm

Go ahead and buy a new set having more than a couple of sets is always advantageous in a workshop. However I don't think it will totally solve your problem, Moulding is more of a variable than the sharpening or condition of the blades. Even with a cassese saw I find some mouldings still chip (but not often) I think it is one of those things certain mouldings will always chip on a morso and sometimes even a moulding which is usually good can go bad even half way through a length due to nature of the wood, especially with composite wood which is often used, you can just hit a soft spot or a bit overly hard, thats the nature of the wood.

StevenG · Post by **StevenG** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 2:09 pm

That's what I was trying to say

Graysalchemy · Post by **Graysalchemy** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 2:12 pm

You must have inspired me then

22rabbits · Post by **22rabbits** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 2:50 pm

Ye i think your right but ill still get a set just so i know they are good and that i then have a spare. So should i get framers corner own brand or the morso branded items? £40 difference.

Graysalchemy · Post by **Graysalchemy** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 2:55 pm

There was a thread about it a few months ago take a look at that. Personally i would go with morso.

22rabbits · Post by **22rabbits** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 3:01 pm

Graysalchemy wrote:There was a thread about it a few months ago take a look at that. Personally i would go with morso.

Id be of the same thinking just fancied another person's opinion. Ill have a look for the thread. Thanks Graysalchemy and featurepiece, honestly do appreciate it

Chris_h · Post by **Chris_h** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 9:35 pm

I went with the Framers Corner blades and took them straight off after a few days and have not touched them since. They cut really nice on one or two mouldings but then would just not work well at all with others and I have no idea why. No matter how much I adjusted the left fence I could not get a decent cut. In the end I stuck some Morso ones back on and straight away they were perfect.

I wish I would have just stuck with a new set of Morso ones. However, a lot of people in the other thread seem to like the Framers Corner ones.

Tyto · Post by **Tyto** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 10:39 pm

I have no idea how good the framers corner blades are as I have never used them but I think I would opt for the morso blades, if you buy cheaper blades and they prove not to be as good you could easily waste £40 worth of moulding in a very short time. In that case instead of saving £40 on the blades you will have wasted whatever the cheaper blades cost.
Peter

Jayvee · Post by **Jayvee** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 3:01 pm

I'm a Framers Corner convert! Got 2 sets of them - and they outperform my 3 morso ones! I've seen that some don't get on with them - but I tend to keep my framers corners ones on as much as possible and only use the morso ones if both sets of FCs are away for sharpening!

But you must go with what you think is right, of course!

misterdiy · Post by **misterdiy** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 3:04 pm

I remember the post well. I think it was IFGL who purchased a set of Framers Corner blades and they lasted for ages. We followed suit and purchased a pair and they were fantastic - lasting much longer than Morso blades. All our blades are under 5 years old, the Framers Corner blades being the newest. If we were in the market for new blades it would be Framers Corner, based on our positive experience.

They have been sharpened (by Lion) twice and always outlast the Morso blades.

IFGL · Post by **IFGL** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 5:19 pm

Yes it was me and yes our two sets of framers corner blades out perform our five sets of morso blades and still do, but a few people seem to have had trouble with poorly attached inserts on the framers corner blades, I don't know if it was just a bad batch or if this is how they are now, I doubt we will ever have to buy any more since the purchase of a saw we only make a few frames per week on our chopper and all softwood, this one set has been on for three months and are still sharp.

shogunswb · Post by **shogunswb** » Sat 19 Dec, 2015 8:45 pm

When I got my Morso second hand about 6 months ago the blades that were on it needed sharpening but it had another set of sharpened blades which I put on but for some reason they just didn't feel right when cutting, don't ask me why.
As I was going up to Lion I took the dull blades with me & they sharpened them whilst I was there.
When I got back I stuck the blades on & they cut all of my mouldings as well as I could hope. Then I decided to add an oak frame to my list, but try as I might I just could not get a straight cut, it would bow out in the middle slightly making it almost impossible to join.
I put the other blades back on & it gave me a straight cut even though it pushed the moulding away as it cuts. A little adjustment on the left fence gets round that but it means that I need two settings, one of softwood & another for hardwood.

The point I think I'm trying to make is that both sets of blades are Morso but both cut very differently because they have been sharpened by different companies.

I have also heard that CHARNWOOD PK2 PREMIUM KNIVES (or are these the framers corner ones) are quite a bit harder than Morso & stay sharper for longer. Can anyone shed any light on that myth?

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