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Re: THAT FRIDAY FEELING!
Posted: Sun 07 Apr, 2024 6:17 am
by Fruitini
Great job Dermot. Looks very good. You aren’t the only one doing it! We’re trying but had delamination issues lately usually at the point of applying stain. I’m sure it’s down to the type of contact adhesive we are using. Do you mind me asking what type you use? Water-based or solvent based? A brand recommendation would be very much appreciated. Cheers Ed
vintage frames wrote: ↑Fri 05 Apr, 2024 10:35 am
Nobody seems to want to talk about 'hand-finishing' anymore.
I'm sure there are lots quietly beavering away and not much interested in showing off their work….
Re: THAT FRIDAY FEELING!
Posted: Sun 07 Apr, 2024 9:26 am
by vintage frames
Thank you, Ed. Much appreciated.
I use Titebond 1 inside a vacuum bag for all my veneers with a heavy duty vacuum pump. There is a possibility of using an ordinary domestic clothes storage vacuum bag with a Henry type vacuum cleaner. Orde02, who doesn't come on here very much, said he used it for some veneer work.
You could ask him on a Insta. DM at -
https://www.instagram.com/northwood_framing/
I'm sure he'd be happy to tell you how he got on.
If you do use Titebond, it's best to size both the veneer and wood the day before with diluted glue.
As regards using a contact adhesive, make sure you seal the glued face of the veneer with some shellac first. This will prevent any interaction with stains and glue solvents. I'm also assuming you're using a veneer hammer to push down the veneer. You can buy one online or make one with a small slab of aluminium.
Another option is to use hot melt veneer sheets and a domestic iron.
The stains I use are all water based and from Fiddes Light Fast range.
If you buy Walnut, Red Mahogany, Brown, Yellow as well as Van Dyke crystals, that should cover most wood types.
Re: THAT FRIDAY FEELING!
Posted: Sun 07 Apr, 2024 6:20 pm
by bookmark
Hi Dermot, like the Maple Veener. My I ask why you do not use hot hide glue.
Re: THAT FRIDAY FEELING!
Posted: Mon 08 Apr, 2024 9:40 am
by vintage frames
Hi bookmark.
I suppose this is a hangover from when i used to make a lot more veneered frames, mostly for an interior design company. We were used to spreading Titebond by the gallon, so making up that quantity of hide glue wouldn't have been so practicable.
I'm also not so sure about the performance of hide glue inside a vacuum.
But as you suggest, hot hide glue would work fine for a single frame and with just using a veneer hammer to glue it down.
Re: THAT FRIDAY FEELING!
Posted: Mon 08 Apr, 2024 10:29 am
by bookmark
Dermot, thanks for the reply. Do not have a Vacuum bag, but only doing small quantities for a couple of Frames a week. Have a Veener Hammer, and all seems to be still stuck down after a couple of weeks so will carry on with the hot glue. Have not laid any Birds Eye Maple, yet a little bit to learn on the finishing process, early attempts on Fiddleback Douka came out OK with Shellac and wax so will keep on. Thank you for the posts you put up.
Mark
Re: THAT FRIDAY FEELING!
Posted: Mon 08 Apr, 2024 11:02 am
by vintage frames
That's good to hear you're getting on well with the hide glue. And the beauty of using that glue is you can repair any blisters, easily with a hot iron.
As regards any sort of finishing, the best results are all in the 'cleaning' or sanding down to a fine finish.
Re: THAT FRIDAY FEELING!
Posted: Wed 10 Apr, 2024 11:53 am
by Fruitini
Really useful, thanks for sharing
vintage frames wrote: ↑Sun 07 Apr, 2024 9:26 am
Thank you, Ed. Much appreciated.
I use Titebond 1 inside a vacuum bag for all my veneers with a heavy duty vacuum pump. There is a possibility of using an ordinary domestic clothes storage vacuum bag with a Henry type vacuum cleaner. Orde02, who doesn't come on here very much, said he used it for some veneer work.
You could ask him on a Insta. DM at -
https://www.instagram.com/northwood_framing/
I'm sure he'd be happy to tell you how he got on.
If you do use Titebond, it's best to size both the veneer and wood the day before with diluted glue.
As regards using a contact adhesive, make sure you seal the glued face of the veneer with some shellac first. This will prevent any interaction with stains and glue solvents. I'm also assuming you're using a veneer hammer to push down the veneer. You can buy one online or make one with a small slab of aluminium.
Another option is to use hot melt veneer sheets and a domestic iron.
The stains I use are all water based and from Fiddes Light Fast range.
If you buy Walnut, Red Mahogany, Brown, Yellow as well as Van Dyke crystals, that should cover most wood types.